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Poll Question: Miles Davis or Wayne Shorter within the Davis Quintet.
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    Posted: 06 Apr 2011 at 4:01pm
Just thinking about a review I might do soon on Wayne. He wrote some awesome stuff. Sorcerer , Nefertiti, he wrote nearly the lot. What about "Sanctuary" from Bitches Brew. Miles had his greats though too , don't forget the entire "Kind of Blue" , also Miles or Milestones, depends on the edition of Milestones you own, "Sid's Ahead is on that album too. Something to ponder and we need a Poll Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2011 at 4:21pm
Interesting, I'll have to think about it. The Second Great Quintet stuff is mostly Wayne Shorter, and Kind of Blue was mostly Bill Evans

Miles did compose some of the best pieces of jazz throughout his history though. I dont know, I'll have to think about this and maybe do a little research (listening) before i vote. Good poll though.


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Miles was great at concepts, new directions and fusing elements, but Shorter is the better writer in my opinion.
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I think Wayne Shorter offered a good song to a band of Art Blakey already in enrolled time as a personal opinion.

I like an enrollment album of (Shorter - Hubbard - Fuller) in particular.

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Gotta say Miles.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 2011 at 7:24pm
I went for Shorter too. More consistent and prolific. Sorceror was what made me ask the question because I like the album for the reason that Shorter did write a lot of it. Bitches Brew is too dragged out for me. When I do play it I always make sure I hear 'Sanctuary",  "Miles Runs The Voodoo Down" by Miles is my other fave of it. Yep Disc 2 for me Wink
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Davis is miles ahead of Shorter.

Edited by Polo - 07 Apr 2011 at 3:03pm

That's Kenny G with Miles Davis on my avatar, by the way.
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After some consideration, my vote goes to Miles as well
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Miles solely because of Go Ahead John on Big Fun.
 
Because of this, he is the greatest jazz composer of all time. Geek
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Compositionally speaking, Shorter > Miles.

Miles was a master of putting the right people together and coming up with new ideas to further take jazz into different directions.  He was an innovator.
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Miles, because he wrote "Willie Nelson" AND "John McLaughlin". 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannonball With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Miles was great at concepts, new directions and fusing elements, but Shorter is the better writer in my opinion.
 
I agree with this.
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

Miles was great at concepts, new directions and fusing elements, but Shorter is the better writer in my opinion.
 
Yeah, that's the way I see it too.
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

Miles was great at concepts, new directions and fusing elements, but Shorter is the better writer in my opinion.
 
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Miles was awesome. He made arranged jazz with real themes and melodies and stuff and it wasn't pop-jazz or light jazz. It was full jazz but with arrangements, incredible.
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It was a tough choice, but I ended up going with Miles. Even though his stuff tends to be a bit light on the compositional side (i.e. he usually wrote "sketches" rather than actual jotting out music), this is the very reason why he got my vote. He pioneered a style of writing that I think freed up jazz and allowed instrumentalists to express themselves in unheard ways.

Of course, compositionally speaking I think they both pale in comparison to the likes of Monk and the big Duke himself, but they were nonetheless both quite good at what they did.
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Originally posted by MilesBeyond MilesBeyond wrote:

It was a tough choice, but I ended up going with Miles. Even though his stuff tends to be a bit light on the compositional side (i.e. he usually wrote "sketches" rather than actual jotting out music), this is the very reason why he got my vote. He pioneered a style of writing that I think freed up jazz and allowed instrumentalists to express themselves in unheard ways.

Of course, compositionally speaking I think they both pale in comparison to the likes of Monk and the big Duke himself, but they were nonetheless both quite good at what they did.


Yeah, nicely put!
I went for Miles too, as covers a wider range of styles he has the advantage there too
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I'd vote Miles, but one has to know that Miles appropriated himself some of the tunes on his albums that were other's labour.... His writing and playing skills were not that fabulous.... Miles' main qualities were elsewhere... He was more of hap^pener, creating the moments and occasions for things to happen... therefore the man was more more an event artistes than a purely creational (hopefully, you guys will understand where I'm getting at because it's not that easy for me to make it clearEmbarrassed) .... he felt things out a lot more than most others.... but often, on the technical or virtuosity side, he was just a tad more than average
 
Miles had indeed questionable work ethics and rules a bit as a tyrant (a bit like Mingus did too)
 
But between Miles & Wayne, I'll go for Miles
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