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Guigo will be along, he is Brazilian and knows his music.
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dionisio
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Samba and bossa nova they walk together, yes, but they can be totally two distinct things, I'm portuguese (i dunno if there is a brazilian in the forums that would be perfect to make this clear) i listen to the music from brazil since i remember walking, and in the jazz schools here you learn a lot of bossa (and believe, everytime you go to a jam with a girl.. if it depends on her, youll be playing bossas all night long ahah anyway, not revelant right now), my point is, even that the samba had a big influence on jazz, was the bossa nova that made the real influence, as sonority, structure or even chords and harmonic changes, what i'm saying is that i feel here a bit of a confusion between bossa and samba, at least i would never say that setence exactly like that, even that samba was, and it is, a huge influence in a lot of other music, it is bossa that deserves it space ( im not saying this as a smartass or whatever, just saying because i really think that they are two things totally different and when we think of the influence from brasil it seems more apropriate to say that bossa is the brother of jazz instead of samba). Samba is more like a traditional dance, a.. musical popular manifestation, bossa is something more like jazz, i can't explain it better, bt even if you think about the theoric part of it, the samba its not that close to jazz since its more a rhythm thing, while bossa.. damn. to finish, i know, bossa nova is sub derived genre of samba, bt it seems more correct this way, and during the 50's the jazz musicians in america were crazy about bossa, not necessarly samba. Bt well, im not here to correct, i dont want to look like snobish, just trying to figure this out (maybe im just used to think it that way, and its because during all my entire life and through some jazz schools we say everytime bossa and not samba, taking samba as something different.. at the end of the day, its just a name ! Give us some brazilian rhythms and i'm happy ! )
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I'm with you there, Matt. I love this album (and pretty much all of his 60s/70s output.) He was amazing |
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Atkingani
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Yes, seeing from the present perspective we may testify/verify that the bossa nova trend of late 50s and early 60s was much more worldwide than observed at the time. The rhythm with new sounds, new instruments and new arrangements influenced a lot of genres, not only modern jazz and fusion but also soft rock and pop music (check The Doors and Mamas & Papas, for instance).
This influence was not only felt in USA but France, Italy and Japan mainly. The 1966 French movie "A Man and a Woman" (Un homme et une femme) shows this influence clearly. In Italy, we had the famous composer and maestro Morricone trailing the samba & bossa nova fashion too.
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Matt
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Good point! Italian and Brazilian music have many things in common and the examples can continue! From wikipedia: Some aspects of Brazilian culture are contributions of Italian, German and other European immigrants; came in large numbers and their influences are felt closer to the South and Southeast of Brazil. Edited by jazzworldquest - 13 Aug 2011 at 5:09pm |
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Soft samba.
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Root's samba... pure samba.
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Not to count the partnership of Chico Buarque with Italian composer Sergio Bardotti and the albums made by Ennio Morricone dedicated to Buarque's songs.
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Talking about Samba, it's interesting that an Italian song became a famous standard due to Joao Gilberto interpretation!
Estate(summer) has been composed in '60 by Bruno Martino & Bruno Brighetti.
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Atkingani
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Chico Buarque composed songs (alone or with friends) about every little bit of the Brazilian soul.
Here he teaches musically exactly how to prepare, eat and enjoy the "feijoada", one of our national dishes. Edited by Atkingani - 09 Aug 2011 at 7:12pm |
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Modern samba (a blend of traditional samba with bossa nova and other elements) wouldn't be the same without Chico Buarque.
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From the 1930s until the 1960s, a series of Brasilian movies were made aimed to the Carnival where the 'marchas' or simply 'marchinhas' provided the soundtrack - they were called 'chanchadas'.
In these chanchadas, the plot was light, generally around a theatric troupe or something and the plot and songs were also accompanied by humorous sketches. Since Carnival falls in February or March, the chanchadas were issued in October or November with the additional purpose to take advantage of the 'big summer vacations' of December/January. Carmen Miranda (here with her sister Aurora) was a star of the first musicals which later were dubbed as chanchadas. Virginia Lane was a kind of princess of the chanchadas. However, the queen was really Emilinha Borba. |
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Marcha de Carnaval (Carnival March) is a mix of old styles like polka, mazurka and maxixe with samba. The infectious rhythm fits perfectly the joy of the indoor balls and the bliss of the street unnamed groups that are the real characteristic of Brazilian Carnival.
Here the way the Marx Brothers made it: Now, Tom & Jerry: Edited by js - 20 Mar 2021 at 8:09pm |
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That's the one, if I had thought about it, I could have interpreted the title, tempo = time of course, I assume this is Portugese not Spanish, but still, what citizen of the US does not know the Mexican Christmas song Feliz Navidad
feliz = merry = happy
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When groups like Monobloco hit the streets it's like an invasion of joy and happiness made by more than half million followers. The old Rio de Janeiro downtown will never be the same.
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Tempo Feliz (Happy Times) - 1966.
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Hey, I found my old Baden Powell record, it is called "Tempo Feliz" and is on the Forma label.
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Then the middle-class people themselves decided to be part of the party.
Monobloco, formed mainly by rock musicians, is a good example. |
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When samba people does a party, they do it their way: Pagode.
What was originally something very informal became a commercial hit at least since the 1980s. Pagode also provided a bridge between the urban middle-class and traditional samba players. Edited by Atkingani - 04 Aug 2011 at 7:27pm |
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