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Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

It is not jazz.


Maybe it's jazz-related rock, but I don't remember it as such.
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Listen to it at 00:30, that is jazz...
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No, that is a saxophone solo.
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Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

No, that is a saxophone solo.

Which is very jazzy
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Henry Threadgill,.....  This brings us 2
Hiromi .......Voice
Kurt Elling..........The Gate
Cassandra Wilson.........Silver Pony
Tito Puente Jr..........Got Mambo
 
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Bill Laswell..........Aspiration
 
 
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Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

No, that is a saxophone solo.

Which is very jazzy


Bruce Springsteen has big long sax solos in his music, a lot of 80s bands had a sax player, some original rock n' roll bands had a sax player; doesn't make them jazz
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It was released in late 2010, but Soren Moller's newest album The Christian X Variations pretty good.
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Hiromi's Voice is a pretty good one
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So far, of the top of my head, I have enjoyed:

Matthew Halsall - On The Go
Darren Johnston - Cylinder
Motif - Facienda
Helge Lien Trio - Natsukashii

Waiting for Liam Sillery's new album to drop tomorrow. Last year's Phenomenology was spectacular.

I agree about the Avishai Cohen album.  It sounds like he just keeps doing the same thing over and over again, vamp after vamp.  I used to really dig his stuff but it hasn;t aged well imo.  Once you've heard one of his albums, you have heard them all, for the most part anyway.

I was also semi-disappointed with the new Omer Avital Quintet - Live At Smalls album.  Not that it is bad.  Not as good as his earlier recorded work but it may be just me listening to mostly more "out" stuff since the times when I couldnt get enough of him.


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Hiromi Uehara!
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Originally posted by Sancho Panza Sancho Panza wrote:

Hiromi Uehara!
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Welcome to the site.
This thread waits for your opinion.
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This album is gonna be fantastic.
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The only jazz stuff I've listened to is the new Colin Stetson. Definitely one of the best of the year!
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Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

No, that is a saxophone solo.

Which is very jazzy
I think what he is getting at is that a few elements in a rock song thrown in to sound like jazz, such as horns do not make somthing jazz. Jazz thas more to do with how the music is structured than the particular instruments that are used. The idea that every song that has horns in it is jazz is just plain wrong.
 
What differentiates that sax solo from a jazz sax solo is the context. It is obviously not improvised, a trait of most jazz solo's, the other instruments arn't playing jazz. Listen to the drums in that song while they are complex they obviously are not coming from the jazz tradition they are far too stiff. It is the rigidly composed nature of the song that seperates it from jazz and a quick listen reveals how different it really is from the style.
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^^^
that being sayed its a great solo and a great song. Its just a prog song not a jazz song
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Akakabotu is a prog/jazz composition.
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Am I the only one who always hesitates to buy a modern jazz release, based on the cover "art"? They always seem like they're going to be smooth jazz, r&b, or something else like that. Obviously you can't judge a book by its cover, but I really don't like how many of them look.
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Originally posted by Freddie Freeloader Freddie Freeloader wrote:

Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

No, that is a saxophone solo.

Which is very jazzy
I think what he is getting at is that a few elements in a rock song thrown in to sound like jazz, such as horns do not make somthing jazz. Jazz thas more to do with how the music is structured than the particular instruments that are used. The idea that every song that has horns in it is jazz is just plain wrong.
 
What differentiates that sax solo from a jazz sax solo is the context. It is obviously not improvised, a trait of most jazz solo's, the other instruments arn't playing jazz. Listen to the drums in that song while they are complex they obviously are not coming from the jazz tradition they are far too stiff. It is the rigidly composed nature of the song that seperates it from jazz and a quick listen reveals how different it really is from the style.


Yep, also, we already sort of tore poor Block apart for the Beardfish thing.  A lot less politely than you did LOL.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Am I the only one who always hesitates to buy a modern jazz release, based on the cover "art"? They always seem like they're going to be smooth jazz, r&b, or something else like that. Obviously you can't judge a book by its cover, but I really don't like how many of them look.


Well, it depends.  If it's got a fricken walrusman or something on it, I'm more likely to buy it



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Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Freddie Freeloader Freddie Freeloader wrote:

Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

No, that is a saxophone solo.

Which is very jazzy
I think what he is getting at is that a few elements in a rock song thrown in to sound like jazz, such as horns do not make somthing jazz. Jazz thas more to do with how the music is structured than the particular instruments that are used. The idea that every song that has horns in it is jazz is just plain wrong.
 
What differentiates that sax solo from a jazz sax solo is the context. It is obviously not improvised, a trait of most jazz solo's, the other instruments arn't playing jazz. Listen to the drums in that song while they are complex they obviously are not coming from the jazz tradition they are far too stiff. It is the rigidly composed nature of the song that seperates it from jazz and a quick listen reveals how different it really is from the style.


Yep, also, we already sort of tore poor Block apart for the Beardfish thing.  A lot less politely than you did LOL.
Embarrassed
I just felt like an explanation was in order so rather than just telling Block he is wrong. I would rather explain to him why I feel he is wrong so that he has an opportunity to argue against me and make his point....
 
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