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seb2112
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Now a lot of people call Bitches Brew the first fusion album because of it's use of electric instruments, but it in no way sounds like the meeting of jazz and rock from which fusion takes its name like mahavishnu, passport or nucleus do. Bitches Brew is its own thing... ad I want more! Did any other artists follow in Mile's soni footsteps and create something similar? I don't enjoy any other Miles record, not even the albums that usually get lumped in with BB as part of that era of his music like jack Johnson, on the corner or in a silent way, so I'm left with only the one record to quench my thirst. Can anyone recommand anything with a somewhat similar feel to this all-time classic?
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Have been thinking about this and trying to come up with something and its hard. Someone with more knowledge will be able to help, but for me, I can't think of anything quite like it. Certainly tonnes of albums have been influenced, but not many seem to do what Bithes Brew does. Perhaps start with one of the box sets, which increase things to 4 cds or more, including outtakes that are very similar in feel.
The Miles album Live Evil maybe. Maybe. |
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Might like this:
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Honestly, Herbie Hancock's albums "Mwandishi", "Crossings", and "Sextant" all were made with the Bitches Brew "spirit". Those albums are probably the closest to the BB sound you will find
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I got the 4CD Boxset and honestly, didn't really get into any of the extra material. On LIVE EVIL, I really enjoy Funky Tonk, so that adds 23 minutes of Brew-esque material, but I didn't enjoy the other tracks.
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I went through Hancock's whole discography and didn't really enjoy anything. To my ears it sounds like an instrumental version of Elton John, it doesnt have that heavy, evil, foreboading machine of doom feel I love from Bitche's Brew
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You won't find a carbon-copy of Bitches Brew anywhere.
But I think you should insist with listening more to the Mwandishi albums, In a Silent Way by Miles, as well as Big Fun and Get Up With It. Also, Weather Report's debut and I Sing the Body Electric. Electric Byrd by Donald Byrd is a good choice too. Emergency! by Tony Williams Lifetime isn't really similar stylistically to Bitches, but it's an earlier "jazz rock" record that might be worth checking out. Raw rockish jams played by innovative jazz musicians.
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I'm already into Lifetime, although I find them quite hit and miss
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Sorry man, but I really don't believe you. 'I Sing the Body Electric' is anything but smooth. And while I can understand that you can't get into Miles other stuff and Hancock, which are indeed no easy affairs, try to find the "Bitches Brew-substance" in those records and you'll probably be able to enjoy those records more. Of course, if you've had enough of them, fine, but seriously those are the records that you should check out.
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I'm going to mention Vossabrygg one more time. It's the only thing that has been suggested so far you haven't tried.
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Now a lot of people call Bitches Brew the first fusion album because of it's use of electric instruments,
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We went through this debate 10 years ago at Prog Archives, and if anybody cares to do some research then this statement falls apart. MIles Davis took an underground music making it more popular by taking it temporarily overground to big audiences. The second episode of the Jazz Britannia series on BBC TV a few years back suggested jazz rock fusion goes back to ~63 with the likes of Graham Bond and Georgie Fame - which I find is pushing it . (Indeed when did the genre of rock get separated from rock'n'roll?). Stuart Nicholson in his excellent book on the subject, Jazz Rock: A History reviews American jazz rock pre-1965 - the Miles Davis chapter is several into the book.
I suspect Miles davis was too impatient to record the same sort of music twice, but I did have a go trying find something similar to Bitches, and one of the belatedly issued live at Fillmore recorded about the time of Bitches' releases, may be as close as you can get..
I think after MIles' death Tony Williams gathered a number of former Davis sidemen together for a MIles Tribute, with Wallace Rooney taking MIles role.
Vossabrygg is supposed to be Bitches Brew influenced, but with the several of musicans involved having said Miles was a godfather to nu.fusion, then it is tless surprising that this is a nu.fusion take.
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Ok let's word it like this then. Although Bitches Brew started fusion, it has little to do with the bands that would later popularize the term FUSION by playing jazz-rock.
And Vossabrygg did not impress me. Although it is similar to bitches brew, to me at least, it sounds amateurish in it's feeble attempt to re-create the same atmosphere
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^of course that Bitches Brew has nothing to do with "actual fusion". Davis mainly relied in improvisation simplifying things, so that's why I and others say that early Weather Report and early Hancock are the most similar fusion acts to Davis. They also followed Davis' improvisational idea.
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Why has BB nothing to do with actual fusion? That is new to me.
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Perhaps, I think that Miles Davis created music by the dimension that exceeds even the subgenre.
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well, NOTHING is a slight exageration, but the fact that we're having a hard time finding anything similar is a good indication that the average fusion band in the 70's didn't follow the basic archetypes set by Bitches Brew
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harmonium.ro
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We didn't have a hard time finding similar stuff, it was you who rejected all those good recommendations.
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