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dreadpirateroberts
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I think that's a good idea too, revisiting an album at a stage after a review is done - just in case months or even years later, if it's a 'sleeper' album that takes a long, long time to win you over. But when it finally does...wow |
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Sean Trane
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well I did a couple time, but that thread is so quick that you retir,n the day after, and your last post a 2 pages behind. (it also takes time to load up the pages, because of the pictures. At work, it's ok, but at home, it can take up half a minute before all of them pictures are in.
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Anyway, you can more or less see what I listen to by what I'm reviewing on the present site... It's been mostly that way since 2005 in PA, and it's not changing much since I'm on JMA.
right nows, it's mainly Shepp (almost finished), British Jazz (Rendell-Carr Quintet and graham Collier), Shorter, Rollins (just starting)... And I'm more or less finished on Andrew Hill and Sanders...
Actually when I review an album, I'm about to drop it from my rotation, sooo I can of recapsulate my feelings on it by writing the review... and probably won't be returning to it fior a few months... sometimes years
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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You don't need to highlight what I previously posted Sean. I know what I wrote. Why don't you come on What Are you Listening Too and post. You play that many albums and it would be interesting to see what you play.
That yellow colour by the way is not good as you can not read it on white background which is how the notification emails come through
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Sean Trane
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In my fave rating site, Gnosis2000, the propose that yopu waitt at least a few months before rationg a newly acquired album, or that you rate it no higher than 11 (out of 15), then return to re-rate after if you find your opinion hasd changed
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My current goal for reviews, is to try and only write reviews for albums that I've owned for year or more, 6 months at the least.
It's very, very hard, as for everything that I buy, I feel like I can't review it yet, because I haven't 'lived with it' long enough. I will essentially have to make exceptions in order to comment on 'new music' however, so I just have to remind myself not to get too carried away with the flush of something new and exciting I guess. |
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Not meaning to be picky, here.... (and nothing personal I assure you)
But this is exactly what I'm afraid of... Too many albums that I'd want to "hear again" to warrant a fourth star
The way you just worded it, makes me think that you'd be rating most albums you listen to at four stars
Maybe you meant pushing "replay" to hear that album a second time successively (I do that frequently, especially at reviewing time)... but even then I'd still find this overly-generous.
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If its good it will get a good rating. One thing I do not like reviewing albums that are on the other end of the spectrum for me, simply because I have to listen to them at least a few times, esp when doing the review. Since I have been here I have been doing the ones that I like primarily and a lot of the Latin ones so far are masterpieces in that genre. Since nobody really listens to Afro Cuban, I would rather point out the real goodies from my perspective. Same goes for Hard Bop. Many of the Blue Note albums that I have reviewed are listed in the top 25 releases of all time from them. One rule for me and that is if I still want to hear the album again after I played it completely it will get a minimum of four stars.
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Sean Trane
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^^^^ Makes quite a bit of sense to me Rating albums in jazz must be different than rock albums... jazz existed before the very concept of an album really appeared... and even when it did, it rarely appeared to be digested completely by jazz artistes or circles (except maybe ECM), as they just made a bunch of songs and stuck them together... Listening to 70's Shepp albums can be a bit dismaying for rock/prog fans, with civil rights oriented material next to crooner garbage stuff and some almost-straight-blues Indeed in jazz, albums were recorded in just one or two session and no special care of making a real production (outside having a good or correct sound) and some were doing two or three albums a year, and didn't think in terms of cohesiveness or coherence, this despite jazzmen being for 0% much better musos than rock ones |
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Evaluating jazz may be significantly different than evaluating prog-- obviously jazz has a unique approach to the way the music is made and presented, and therefore involves the listener in a different way, a different level of perception. It may be that certain artists or substyles by nature will garner fairly consistent ratings, whether low or high. I think of John Abercrombie; though he's released many albums of varying quality, they often sound as if they were made the very next week, day, or even moment, rather than a distinctly new set of material that is notably different from the last.
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Sean Trane
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My remark about generous ratings was in no way linked tothe top list , which I haven't even bothered checking.
I simply never look at these top rated lists (except maybe at Gnosis2000)..
Soo just to be clear, I wasn't hinting at all at someone over-rating every album in order to skew the top-taing lists at JMA
I really think that jazzheads are above these teen-agers temptations and list-fixation/obsession... I man, outside Rico (who might be over 20 nowadays and wouldn't classify as a teenager anymore), how many teenagers listen to jazz.... and if there are some, they're probably nort obsessed by list ... this list-skewing risk is mostly for MMA and PA
This is an excellent description, and it similar to what I use
even if I wouldn't use the word exceptional for four star... I mean four star are not an exception, IMHO
I'd use exceptional for 4.5 stars and excellent for four star.
I like the sugar description for the lower ratings |
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OK, thanks, John
I'll deit my post on first page...
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Sounds good. As much as I enjoy the P-funk sound, it's not among my favorites. I like more the James Brown, Sly, Lettuce; more in the pocket funk. Pfunk has that too, but I dont know how to say this, it's sometimes a little too "slick" I guess...
I'll look at The JB's stuff and see what happens. |
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I would go with anything in the late 60s to early 70s, its all good. After that they start going with the P-funk sound, which is great, but that early JBs was something really special.
Most of the music of theirs that I have is on mix tapes and such.
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RotM is a live album, and probably would have a better chance of making it. Both albums don't really reveal their jazzier moments until you've listened deeper into the album. Any recommendations for where to start with The JB's? |
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I believe I have both of those albums, I'll check it out. The JBs are one of my favorite bands of all time, no one can play like they do, no one.
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I'm going to move this thread to General Discussions, don't take the Just For Fun as a diss, that was just standard practice I got from your old buddy Tony back at the rock-n-roll site, wrongly placed threads go to Just for Fun, its nice so you don't have to think about it too much.
Help Us Improve this Site, at least at this site, means things that Max or the staff can actually change, for instance Alex's suggestion of changing Jazz Vocals to Vocal Jazz, great suggestion and we implemented it right away. Neither Max or anyone here can change how people rate albums.
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I don't have any albums by The JB's, only James Brown himself. At least 2 of his albums should be considered for funk-jazz like Revolution of the Mind or The Payback, as there is some jazz improv on top of funky goodness during these albums. But I would understand keeping it under funk, I mean, that's what it is.
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The JBs are in Funk Jazz, James may still crack that top 100 yet. ..Good God!! .. Hit Me!! .. Hunh!!! ..and so on
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Oh yea duhh!!! I knew that. I looked at it once a couple weeks back Ok good, since I can't see a James Brown album in the top 100 (though any jazz fan who like a good beat should enjoy his music; it IS very jazzy at times, borderline funk-jazz) |
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First part - it does Second part - it doesn't
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