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    Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 6:38pm
Any fans of-Vocal Conspiracy very nice fusion group,also-Pharoh Sanders-Elevation is cool also.
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Garry Barton and the Flock are also quite nice
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 2011 at 9:41pm
Brew takes awhile to get into....its not the easiest listen of Miles stuff........try Nefertiti, to me its more straight up Miles with Herbie Hancock on piano and Wayne Shorter on sax. I enjoy side 2 more than 1, Nefertiti the track is a bit experimental and I think would have fit nicely on Bitches Brew.
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woops wrong section.

ANyway I recommend A Tribute To Jack Johnson


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Originally posted by darkprinceofjazz darkprinceofjazz wrote:

Originally posted by The Hepcat The Hepcat wrote:

I don't mind experimental at all, my only beef with Brew was it didn't feel too jazzy, but also not very rock-y. Almost like in bridging the gap it doesn't feel like either one.
Just my screwy opinion LOL




 We must also realize as well that Teo Macero has his hands all over Bitches Brew, With the edits, cuts and loops, In many ways he deserves some credit for the finished product


Yeah, I'm with ya there, very important contribution
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Hey!

I'd like to 2nd In a Silent Way' a more temperate album, but vital in Mile's development. More jazz than fusion, but fascinating nonetheless. Mantra-like.

Stomu's Go, you might like, though coming from PA, I'm guessin' you've heard of him?

And as a MV Orcestra fan, you'd probably already heard the Santana/MHVO duet Love Devotion and Surrender?



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Originally posted by The Hepcat The Hepcat wrote:

I don't mind experimental at all, my only beef with Brew was it didn't feel too jazzy, but also not very rock-y. Almost like in bridging the gap it doesn't feel like either one.
Just my screwy opinion LOL



   Actually a very profound statement, and does sum Bitches Brew Up, There lies the problem Critics had with the music. They could not see beyond the box they wanted to put in , Jazz ?,  rock?, We must also realize as well that Teo Macero has his hands all over Bitches Brew, With the edits, cuts and loops, In many ways he deserves some credit for the finished product. To me, the is it jazz? or is it rock question is the biggest compliment of all, Miles Created a New form of music, An Album that sort of stands alone, Really nothing like it before or after. Give it one more "good" listen with headphones. Maybe it will click for you.
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To be a fan of the entirety of Bitches Brew, One probably does need a taste for the Avant Garde, Spanish Key and Miles Runs the Voodoo Down, are more straight ahead, especially with the funk overtones, But the title track, and to a lesser extent Pharaoh's Dance,  require some serious patience to reveal themselves. The complete sessions also have the same mix of styles. If a rockier or funkier thing is what you want, Jack Johnson and The Cellar Door Sessions would be a good bet, Dark Magus is a mind blowing assault of Hard Funk That will pound you into submission, The Japanese Vinyl issue of Dark Magus is one of my personal treasures, It still fires me up hearing it. For me In a Silent Way is Probably the best place to start, hardly any dissonance at all, Just a pleasant atmospheric record, with just enough of a groove to satisfy. a great Meditation music.  
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oh hey JJ. Still gotta go to VV soon. Lots of music coming out in June I'm looking to pick up
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Hepcat, I'd like to suggest giving a listen to Larry Coryell & The Eleventh House.  Larry Coryell, great guitarist, Randy Brecker, excellent trumpet & Alphonse Mouzon, a very underrated drummer.  Their first album is very good "Introducing the Eleventh House with Larry Coryell".
 
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ha!

Thanks again y'all, I will report back in once I've digested all this.
My fav jazz artist is Charlie. He hangs out in the park with his sax and is a character out of the 1940's. He's not great, but is improving each day and damn he has heart. That's what its all about!
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Now JJ , I knowSax manHeadbangerViolinBeer
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Hepcat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 6:52pm
There's a hepcat on PA?
Damn it!!
Like always....nothing is ever ever original Cry Well with one post at least I know I did think of it and it wasn't lurking sub consciously.LOL I was gunna say check the newbie section...but I am JJ Lehto. I also have quite a bit of jazz to try out!
Thanks again everyone.
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Originally posted by The Hepcat The Hepcat wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by The Hepcat The Hepcat wrote:

I don't mind experimental at all, my only beef with Brew was it didn't feel too jazzy, but also not very rock-y. Almost like in bridging the gap it doesn't feel like either one.

Well I don't think I've seen/read you around either here or in ProgArcives, so welcomeWink
 
Well isn't that exactly what jazz-rock is all aboutSmile?? A non-obvious bridge between the two music genresCool.
 
Hopefully BB will one day sink in, because it's one of those cornerstone albums... but you might want to try the previous in A Silent Way of the next one Tribute To Jack Johnson


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Edited by Sean Trane - 03 Jun 2011 at 6:49pm
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by The Hepcat The Hepcat wrote:

I don't mind experimental at all, my only beef with Brew was it didn't feel too jazzy, but also not very rock-y. Almost like in bridging the gap it doesn't feel like either one.

Well I don't think I've seen/read you around either here or in ProgArcives, so welcomeWink
 
Well isn't that exactly what jazz-rock is all aboutSmile?? A non-obvious bridge between the two music genresCool.
 
Hopefully BB will one day sink in, because it's one of those cornerstone albums... but you might want to try the previous in A Silent Way of the next one Tribute To Jack Johnson


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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:



Try Jaco's self-titled solo album; a classic in the fusion genre and one of my favorites

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

Briantrane have you listened to any of Herbie Hancock's fusion?

Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

In a Silent Way and Filles De Kilimanjaro might show you the jazzier side of Bitches Brew rawness. 

If you want pure rock from Miles, get A Tribute to Jack Johnson, 'Right Off' is 25 minutes of rock jazz (not fusion) powder.


Thank you everyone!
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In a Silent Way and Filles De Kilimanjaro might show you the jazzier side of Bitches Brew rawness. 

If you want pure rock from Miles, get A Tribute to Jack Johnson, 'Right Off' is 25 minutes of rock jazz (not fusion) powder.


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Briantrane have you listened to any of Herbie Hancock's fusion?
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Bitches Brew clicked for me a few months or so ago, and I got the album back in 2006 Wacko

Try Jaco's self-titled solo album; a classic in the fusion genre and one of my favorites
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I also like initial WR. The directionality of the band might changed because Joe Zawinul started including the element of Funk in WR. Therefore, it is partial where Miroslazv Vitous did not have the element of Funk. Secession or the dismissal or the truth is not understood. However, it might have been connected with "Mysterious Traveller" as a result.
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

Probably one of the best representatives of fusion would be Weather Report with Alphonso Johnson on bass, the "Mysterious Traveler" album for example.
 
Indeed a good suggestion, but Weather report's discography can be divided along their bass players
 
First the Miroslazv Vitous years (fromthe debut until Sweetnighter) from 71 until 73 >>> very much like Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi period, but both are a direct product of Miles BB album >> this is definitely my fave era of theirs
 
 Then there is the Alphonso Johnson years:  74-75 with Mysterious Traveller and Tale spinnin >> I find this period more straightforward: the group settlles in a groove and solo away >> I generalize of course, but that's the general picture
 
Then youhave the Jazco Pastorius years: 76 until roughly 1981 or 82 (noy sure  >> generally the most commercial and popular era with Black Market and Heavy Weather as best sellers  >> definitely not my fave era, partly because if Pastorius is a good bassist, he's also an insufferable show off and overdoes almost systematically everything he did in that band. Musically the band is also all over the map and is quite unfocused: from standard jazz (like Birdland), to ethnic/world fusion... I find the albums of that era generally a mixed-bag or soup. It doesn't help that Zawinul's choice of synth are often disputable (Mr Gone is riddled with iffy synth sounds, and Wayne Shoreter is almost absent to save it from sinking.
 
Finally, the Victor Bailey  years >>> but that was the 80's.... and doesn't that say it all???
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by Sean Trane - 03 Jun 2011 at 1:48am
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