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Kazuhiro 
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 Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:50pm |
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Yes. American Garage is a good album. Or, Still Life is also good. I often listen to them.
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Kazuhiro
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:03pm |
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Features might be united to some degree as the music character of PMG. Each characteristic and the idea by ECM and Geffen might have joined it, too. PMG in the 80's might often have the element of World Fusion. I think initial PMG also for an experimental element to exist as a subjective opinion. I thought one directionality to have been established when Pat Metheny announced the off-ramp. Point that Pat Metheny considered band anyway. And, it is convinced that the existence of Lyle Mays is very important for PMG. |
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:07pm |
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^Yes, American Garage is fantastic up-lifting fusion.
Offramp has grown on me a lot, its dark mood, I now find it another masterful album.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 2:52am |
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Really not a fan of most 80's fusion.... It had lost all kinds of energy compared to the 70's.... bad synth and shoddy 80's production values are also major setbacks. It's why I don't really like ECM-type of fusion.... too cool and dead, IMHO.
90's are not much better, but it seems that energy levels were on the rise... and some of those 80's trademarks disappeared
Of couse, synclaviers (I refuse to put a capital s to that crap) are the worst thing that could've happened to jazz guitar.... it took all of the biting edge of guitar sounds and smoothed it out beyond commen sense.
Listen to McL throughout the 80's, he sounds like a weenie version of his former self
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 2:54pm |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 4:13pm |
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Anybody knows of Second Vision with John Etheridge??
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 11:37am |
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overall I agree about the 80s, but there was good stuff from that decade. 90's fusion is generally my least preferred, which is why I love 2000s fusion. It's like a fusion of 70s fusion with 2000s rock/metal energy, or maybe infuse more funk and jazz. Either way, I think I like 2000s fusion so much because of the great production values compared to 80s and 90s |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 2:00pm |
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Yes. Post Soft Machine collaboration with Ric Sanders, jazz rock folk made before the violinist headed off to the Fairports - issued on CD by Blueprint. A reminder that Etheridge has played with a lot of violinists during his career - Darryl Way, Nigel Kennedy, Stephane Grapelli also immediately come to mind. |
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 at 8:18pm |
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Dang ... I could have sworn that Deodato did not do Strauss on that Kubrick film but I have to go check my madness boutique!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 3:15am |
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I've tried to find this, but apparently it's OOP, rare or scarce or never reissued on CD
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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darkshade
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Posted: 14 Aug 2012 at 6:43pm |
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The question is, which era of 70s fusion is the best? The 1969-1972 era, or the 1973-1976 era? First one was overall more psychedelic inspired, spacey, still very jazzy, raw, and really open; whereas the second brought more funky moods, synthesizers, tighter rhythms, and felt more composed.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 2:27am |
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I'm really a first wave JR/F fan (preferring Mwandishi to Head Hunters by a million miles >> notwithstanding Davis of course  ) , but the real break for me came later than these two periodsI really think that the funk became even more evident in JR/F after 76, and notably when Pastorius joined WR (Black Market) >> This is a totally personal view, but the influence that album had on everyone kind of triggered or provoked what I view as JR/F's decline... Of course before that BM album, we'd seen plenty of jazzers try out their luck solo ventures in funk-jazz rock or jazz-funk as I like to call it (thinking of Stanley Clarke, for ex)...
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Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 11:02am |
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Jaco changed the entire landscape of jazz-rock/fusion in 1976 (that's kinda why I made the cut-off '76). Just about every fusion bassist to come out after that was inspired by Jaco in some way or another.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 11:42am |
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UNFORTUNATELY!!!  not a big fan of his over-playing
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darkshade
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Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 12:39pm |
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Maybe for some 80s and 90s fusion albums, but many of the 2000s and 2010s fusion albums I've heard, where the bassist is influenced by Jaco (or Victor Wooten), they're more tasteful, not to mention I feel the genre has improved since around the mid-2000s. I also enjoy Jaco's style, and those influenced by him, anyway. |
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Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 5:32am |
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This is certainly my kind of genre - I grew up with it - I lived it during its heyday. I'm older now, and still, listening to it. Perhaps I'm a little toned down, more of a Yellowjackets kinda guy. I write harder though, anyway, fantastic complex genre, and completely love it.
Did any of that make sense?
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Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 6:19am |
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^ sure did
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darkshade
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Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 12:28pm |
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Aside from certain Zappa albums, 70s jazz-fusion has just not been on lately. Been mostly listening to 90s/2000s/2010s fusion. Maybe I discovered all I want/need from this decade in the fusion world.
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Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 12:55pm |
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I was raised on that stuff, don't listen to it much anymore, but still like a lot of it.
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darkshade
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Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 1:01pm |
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Sure, if it's on I'll enjoy it, and I do throw on the odd album here and there, but lately I haven't been feeling it. I did get Return to Forever's recent album, and while the original songs are from the 70s, the music itself is very much more modern, in fact, it's one of the band's best albums.
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