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I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

yes, sober musicians are much more prolific, since they dont waste time with narcotics

**EDIT** woops, I didn't realize that was part of your sig. I think the colors threw me off
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This said, I don't think that jazzmen have any less problems with drugs than other types of musos. If Coltrane managed to kick it out, Parker & Miles didn't.
 
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With jazz, it's a little different. There isn't as much composing as classical, or prog, so it wouldn't take as much time to record an album than say a rock band. MAny jazz albums were recorded in 1 or 2 takes, many times by the entire band(s)
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

yes, sober musicians are much more prolific, since they dont waste time with narcotics

**EDIT** woops, I didn't realize that was part of your sig. I think the colors threw me off
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Sorry about that!!
 
 
This said, I don't think that jazzmen have any less problems with drugs than other types of musos. If Coltrane managed to kick it out, Parker & Miles didn't.
 
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With jazz, it's a little different. There isn't as much composing as classical, or prog, so it wouldn't take as much time to record an album than say a rock band. MAny jazz albums were recorded in 1 or 2 takes, many times by the entire band(s)
jazz and drugs go hand in hand, blues is born from boose, lots of jazzmen love their uppers, and the other half of jazzmen love their downers. The beats and jazzmen had alot in common, most notibly the fact they wer junkies... most all modern music is rooted to some degree on drugs.
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Quote The record, Bienestan, is a collaboration between Guillermo Klein and pianist Aaron Goldberg, with crack players Miguel Zenón, Chris Cheek, Matt Penman, and Eric Harland filling out the band. Klein composed and/or arranged all the songs on Bienestan and Goldberg takes on the role of featured soloist. "We were conceiving of it almost in a Gil Evans-Miles kind of way," Goldberg writes in the press release announcing the album.


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Originally posted by Freddie Freeloader Freddie Freeloader wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

yes, sober musicians are much more prolific, since they dont waste time with narcotics

**EDIT** woops, I didn't realize that was part of your sig. I think the colors threw me off
 
 
This said, I don't think that jazzmen have any less problems with drugs than other types of musos. If Coltrane managed to kick it out, Parker & Miles didn't.
 
 


With jazz, it's a little different. There isn't as much composing as classical, or prog, so it wouldn't take as much time to record an album than say a rock band. MAny jazz albums were recorded in 1 or 2 takes, many times by the entire band(s)
jazz and drugs go hand in hand, blues is born from boose, lots of jazzmen love their uppers, and the other half of jazzmen love their downers. The beats and jazzmen had alot in common, most notibly the fact they wer junkies... most all modern music is rooted to some degree on drugs.
 
 
 
I don't know about composition being less in jazz than classical or rock, thoughConfused
 
In terms of composition, sure classical has an edge when it comes to large symphonic orchestra (although Big Bands..... ), but I'm not sure Schubert's quintet pieces took less composition efforts than say Brubeck's Time Out. They were vastkly different times as well, since recording studios didn't exist too, for classical, which means that they culd take years into finalizing an oeuvre without anyone noticing it (i thionk I'm breaking down wide-open doors, hereEmbarrassedLOL)
 
As for composing in terms of rock, if you take the prog rock out of that realm, you'll find most compositions quite simple in terms of chord progressions.
 
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Albums didn't take long to record because jazz musos are great improvisers, unlike classical musicians (they couldn't improvize if their life depended on it), and in most rock circles, the musicianship is much lesser than in jazz. This is also why jazz artistes have such wide discographies as well.... cheap album production and quick recording meant that the labels could pump out sometimes up to four albums a year for an artiste... imagine this for Floyd or Madona...
 
So jazz albums took only one take or two....fine!!! But there isn't the effect-laden ultra-produced of most of these rock or pop products (beit Yes, Floyd or Michael Jackson and Madona)... and most of these rocker drug addicts, even when straight, couldn't get it right after the 15th take either, because they rarely rehearsed prior to recording sessions...And then you've got some groups that did composing during the studio sessions.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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Stylish,pleasant and easy accessible solo piano album 
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@ Sean Trane - I only mentioned composition in terms of Classical where almost everything is composed, whereas with Jazz, there is a large amount of improvisation involved. I wasn't talking about the level of composition some jazz tunes have (where some rival or even beat Classical)
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

@ Sean Trane - I only mentioned composition in terms of Classical where almost everything is composed, whereas with Jazz, there is a large amount of improvisation involved. I wasn't talking about the level of composition some jazz tunes have (where some rival or even beat Classical)
I'd understood what you said, ,and completely agreed, but there was the drug issue at stake in this conversation, ,that's allWink
 
 
but I gather that the newer jazz generatioons are much cleaner in that regard (except for amy House of WhineLOL)


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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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IMO another average ECM piano trio release, didn't impress me at first hearing , it improved after a few more hearings but doesn't stand out from among other average piano trios releases



I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Recent stuff in my playlist, Ken Vandermark has two new releases, one with Resonance and an OST with Predella Group, both not your usual Vandermark. Jazz that can open your senses, in fact.

Angelica Sanchez's piano solo album (A Little House) puts me off a bit, uneven album with both hollow and interesting compositions. Never made up my mind how I feel about toy piano music, either.


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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Recent stuff in my playlist, Ken Vandermark has two new releases, one with Resonance and an OST with Predella Group, both not your usual Vandermark. Jazz that can open your senses, in fact.

Angelica Sanchez's piano solo album (A Little House) puts me off a bit, uneven album with both hollow and interesting compositions. Never made up my mind how I feel about toy piano music, either.

I tried Angelica's album few times but didn't get that music, or better to say - it was interesting at first few minutes, but later I missed interest very soon
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Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Recent stuff in my playlist, Ken Vandermark has two new releases, one with Resonance and an OST with Predella Group, both not your usual Vandermark. Jazz that can open your senses, in fact.

Angelica Sanchez's piano solo album (A Little House) puts me off a bit, uneven album with both hollow and interesting compositions. Never made up my mind how I feel about toy piano music, either.

I tried Angelica's album few times but didn't get that music, or better to say - it was interesting at first few minutes, but later I missed interest very soon


The other way around, second half makes me wonder...

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Interesting new release - combination of American and European avant-garde roots in one duo. Sounds really good but often on the edge of two worlds :

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Hey Slava, did you hear Chicago Odense Ensemble? I just added them to Post Rock on PA, but their album could also pass as one of the best Nu-Jazz albums of 2011. 
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^ I just listened to it for the first time yesterday. I feel the two main styles are a bit corrupting each other. Cool music, otherwise.

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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Hey Slava, did you hear Chicago Odense Ensemble? I just added them to Post Rock on PA, but their album could also pass as one of the best Nu-Jazz albums of 2011. 

No, thanks I'll check themSmile
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ I just listened to it for the first time yesterday. I feel the two main styles are a bit corrupting each other. Cool music, otherwise.

Absolutely agree - in some moments it sounds almost annoying, but often - like unusual and attractive combination, a bit of scratching glass LOL
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Confused now, I was referring to Alex's COE, which you haven't heard yet, as you said above.

It might turn out the same with Shepp/Kuhn, but I have to hear it first. Tongue


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