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Yep, BF's last album sounded more like World to me, which usually isn't a bad thing considering my tastes but this one  didn't catch me.
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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I like BF&tFT. I dont have any of his solo stuff. ..BF&tFT remind me more of Classic Fusion, even though they're listed as World Fusion here. Victor Wooten one of the main reasons I listen to them
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Usually I don't like Bela Fleck's music too much, but last album is better than his average work for me. Still same Americana+jazz though Smile
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liked James Farm, not a fan of Bella Fleck's music
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I dislike that I have gotten no 2011 jazz albums yet. I have my eyes on the new Hiromi album and the new Bela Fleck & The Flecktones albums


I heard both of them - IMO them both are quite good Smile 
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also that James Farm album with Joshua Redman

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I dislike that I have gotten no 2011 jazz albums yet. I have my eyes on the new Hiromi album and the new Bela Fleck & The Flecktones albums
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Didn't like Bill Frisell's 'Sign of life'
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Listening last evening to Nguyen Le's Songs of Freedom was the second worst experience of the year next to one of Boris' new albums.


Agree entirely although I haven't listened to Boris LOL
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Listening last evening to Nguyen Le's Songs of Freedom was the second worst experience of the year next to one of Boris' new albums.

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I like



a mix of jazz,hip pop and electronica
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Two nice 2011 releases, piano trios from Italy:
08 Trio-Live In Studio-free download at jamendo
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Chat Noir-Weather Forecasting Stone
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:




Where is this from?







Iiro Rantala-Tears  For Esbjorn from 'Lost Heroes',2011
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:





I'm getting this.
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Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:




Where is this from?


Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:




I can't seem to be able to stand this kind of fusion anymore...



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another 2011 release that I like:



Edited by idlero - 01 May 2011 at 12:09pm
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Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Freddie Freeloader Freddie Freeloader wrote:

Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

No, that is a saxophone solo.

Which is very jazzy
I think what he is getting at is that a few elements in a rock song thrown in to sound like jazz, such as horns do not make somthing jazz. Jazz thas more to do with how the music is structured than the particular instruments that are used. The idea that every song that has horns in it is jazz is just plain wrong.
 
What differentiates that sax solo from a jazz sax solo is the context. It is obviously not improvised, a trait of most jazz solo's, the other instruments arn't playing jazz. Listen to the drums in that song while they are complex they obviously are not coming from the jazz tradition they are far too stiff. It is the rigidly composed nature of the song that seperates it from jazz and a quick listen reveals how different it really is from the style.


Yep, also, we already sort of tore poor Block apart for the Beardfish thing.  A lot less politely than you did LOL.
Embarrassed
I just felt like an explanation was in order so rather than just telling Block he is wrong. I would rather explain to him why I feel he is wrong so that he has an opportunity to argue against me and make his point....
 
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Am I the only one who always hesitates to buy a modern jazz release, based on the cover "art"? They always seem like they're going to be smooth jazz, r&b, or something else like that. Obviously you can't judge a book by its cover, but I really don't like how many of them look.


Well, it depends.  If it's got a fricken walrusman or something on it, I'm more likely to buy it



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Originally posted by Freddie Freeloader Freddie Freeloader wrote:

Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

No, that is a saxophone solo.

Which is very jazzy
I think what he is getting at is that a few elements in a rock song thrown in to sound like jazz, such as horns do not make somthing jazz. Jazz thas more to do with how the music is structured than the particular instruments that are used. The idea that every song that has horns in it is jazz is just plain wrong.
 
What differentiates that sax solo from a jazz sax solo is the context. It is obviously not improvised, a trait of most jazz solo's, the other instruments arn't playing jazz. Listen to the drums in that song while they are complex they obviously are not coming from the jazz tradition they are far too stiff. It is the rigidly composed nature of the song that seperates it from jazz and a quick listen reveals how different it really is from the style.


Yep, also, we already sort of tore poor Block apart for the Beardfish thing.  A lot less politely than you did LOL.
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