First names in database
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Topic: First names in database
Posted By: Sean Trane
Subject: First names in database
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 6:42am
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Couldn't help but notice that some entries are under the first name of the artiste, rather than the family name...
Example: Manfred Mann's Chapter three are entered under Manfred, rather than Mann
I've noticed this a few times in recent days, but forgot to write them down.... I propose this thread is used for repairing these errors...
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 6:55am
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Yeah, list them here. I'll change the Manfred Mann one, but sometimes when a person's name is part of the band name, then last name no longer goes first, for instance Sly and the Family Stone goes under 'Sly'.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 6:57am
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done |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 7:11am
jeeeeeez, I was going to report next Dan Steely
  being under S  I was going to say that your Sly remark went without saying, but it's useful to remind it.
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js wrote:Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 11:46am
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http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/paolo-achenza-trio.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> shouldn't this read Achenza Trio, Paolo - no it shouldn't http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/bert-van-den-brink.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> not sure about this, but Van Den Brink, Bert - correct as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/johnny-st-cyr.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>< most likely St Cyr, Johnny - correct as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/alfredo-de-la-fe.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> De La Fe , Alfredo, no doubt - correct as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/lonnie-gasperini-organ-trio.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>> Gasperini Organ Trio, Lonnie ?? - fine as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/onaje-allan-gumbs.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> really not sure about this one , but Onaje Gumbs, Allen - no, this is fine as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/yuri-honing-wired-paradise.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> Honing Wired Paradise, Yuri, mabe ?? - fine as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/joao-gilberto-and-astrud-gilberto.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>> Gilberto, Joao & Astrud - thats what it says already
Ok I'm through from A until K, I'll proceed with the rest ASAP
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 11:55am
| Go ahead and list them, I'll look into them later, some are correct as is, some are not. |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 23 May 2011 at 12:11pm
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You can't put Paolo Achenza Trio as a sort name of Achenza Trio, Paolo because that will make the automatic sort alphabetize by Achenza Trio and not just Achenza. Achenza is the correct alphabetical sort name for this artist. I don't think you understand this sites automatic sort system. Also, if you don't understand bibliographical alphabetizing I can help you, part of my Masters degree in music involved classes in musical bibliography. All the same, I will check the others.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 3:17am
I know that Achenza is the correct alphabetical order, I'm not hinting that it should be anywhere else than in the A section
but the way it is written right now implies that the full name is Paolo Trio Achenza instead of Paolo Achenza Trio, because Trio is after the coma.
See where l'm getting at?
Now I understand the specificity of jazz and the multiple projects needing to come under one name for simplicity's sake, but then one should just have Achenza, Paolo if there are works presented under some other form than the trio.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 6:25am
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Sometimes compromises are made, the listing is incorrect grammatically, but correct alphabetically, the alphabetical concern trumps. It has to be written that way because of how the sort system works here. Also, don't assume that he released records outside that trio, all of the artists here are researched pretty thoroughly before being added, some mistakes are made of course, but few artists are added in some kind of hurried rush without any listening or reading.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 9:04am
Wokey fine with me...
I won't raise anymore of these specific examples once I go through the rest of the list
I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort in terms of hurried inclusions.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 24 May 2011 at 10:07am
| I know that, I'm just saying that if he was included as a trio, there's a good chance all the records he has released are under that trio name, I'll check it out though. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 7:43am
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Anyway, here's more things to check out (I'm not listing the trios, ensemble or quartet issue anymore)
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/la-playa-sextet.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> La is an article, so Playa Sextet, La maybe?? - corrected
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/hendricks-and-ross-lambert.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> sounds fishy >> Hendricks is normally a surname -nothing fishy, very popular jazz vocal group
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/les-double-six.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> Les is an article >> Doubles Six, Les - corrected
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/limage.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> L' is an article >> so Image, L' - apparently l'image is their accepted sort name
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/vinicius-de-moraes.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>> Normally De Moraes, Vinicius, no? - no
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/parliament.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>> isn't this Parliaments, The (could be wrong on this though) - they changed to Parliament long ago
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/the-pharaohs.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>< should read Pharaohs, The - corrected
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/pierre-moerlens-gong.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> no expl necessary I presume - changed to Gong (Pierre Moerlen's)
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/pierre-dorges-new-jungle-orchestra.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> ditto - corrected
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/sun-ra.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>> I think most people would expect Sun Ra in S - I know all jazz books don't
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/walfredo-de-los-reyes-jr.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> De Los Reyes, Alfredo , no?? - no
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dom-um-romao.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> I believe this should be Um Romau, Dom (not overly positive, though) - correct as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/alexander-von-schlippenbach.aspx" rel="nofollow - , >>> Von Schlippenbach, alex - correct as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/lonnie-liston-smith.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> positive it should be Liston-Smith, Sonny - correct as is, Sonny Liston is a boxer
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/warren-vache.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> absolutely not sure, but the apostrophe after Vache??? - corrected,
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/vasil-hadzimanov-band.aspx" rel="nofollow - , >>> Vasil is a first name >> Vassili in Russian - corrected
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/paulinho-da-viola.aspx" rel="nofollow - >>> Da Viola, Paulinho - correct as is
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/cassandra-willson.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> Wilson with a second "l"??? - corrected
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/norma-winstone.aspx" rel="nofollow - >> no space between Winstone and the coma (I'm nitpicking, here, uh??) - Slava doesn't leave the space for the comma, you'll find a million like that, the sort process ignores it so no big deal, you only see it on the edit page
M to Z done
I'msure I missed some, though
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 9:29am
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Just glancing at this, you're right about Playa Sextet, that will be corrected. Parliament started out as The Parliaments long ago, but became Parliament very early in their career.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 9:39am
If you don't know Lambert, Hendricks and Ross, then you don't know jazz. 
Every jazz book I own lists Sun Ra under Ra.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 11:31am
what did L,H & R do that is so essential???
 i mean if that was really all that essential, I figure I'd know about it, now that I'm nearing 50.I guess vocal jazz was never my thing
 ... except for the odd Satchmo tuneseven Billie and Ella bore me to shreads.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 May 2011 at 11:50am
| They are one of the most popular jazz vocal groups of all time. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 26 May 2011 at 2:16am
they certainly didn't hang around a long time...
 I've checked my library system... they've goit all three albums... I'll rent one of them tocheck it out. >< thanks for the header
(unless I hate it, of course) |