Bitches Brew and direct derivates/offshoots
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Topic: Bitches Brew and direct derivates/offshoots
Posted By: Sean Trane
Subject: Bitches Brew and direct derivates/offshoots
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 1:35am
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Miles' BB album was responsible for a few offshoot that can be directly attibuted to it Indeed, if Herbie wasn't on the BB sessions, it's because he was on his honeymoon, but he clearly belongs to the BB legacy, and via Julian Priester, the link is solid. |
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 7:18am
| Return to forever! |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 8:46am
WR 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:02am
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Musically, I can't think of RTF as a BB derivate. So I'll vote for WR instead. -------------  
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:07am
True, but it is an offshot. |
Ricochet wrote:Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:52am
But as Alex says it is an offshoot as well.
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 12:09pm
| Mahavishnu Orchestra, no doubt about it! |
Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 1:09pm
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WR just over Mwandishi
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/TullDerGraff" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 2:41pm
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Out of these, Mahavishnu without hesitation. -------------  
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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 4:03pm
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Close call between Inner Mounting Flame and Weather Report.
I'll vote the former this time. ------------- Hit it on Five. Saxophone Scatterbrain Blitzberg Stab them in the ears. |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 8:22pm
RTF
------------- "If you're trying to be hip, be hip." - Miles Davis |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:51pm
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Herbie Hancock being on BB is one of those "what if?" moments anyway I went with Mwandishi ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 7:24am
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Some might suggest MO is an off-shoot of Lifetime and Miles borrowed McLaughlin.................. and the first RTF album is more about Corea's Latin jazz upbringing. |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 8:33am
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I lean toward 'Mwandishi' it has that dense or layered feel to it. Great question, at first I thought it was clear who I'd pick, but once I thought about it: HH ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 1:28pm
My favrourite on the list is Mwandishi, love the album. I don't really get the Julain Priester reference, though. Priester released one of my absolute favorite albums in JRF (anyone who knows me reasonably at all from PA will know how much I love Love, Love), but he wasn't on Bitches Brew that I know of. I think you meant to say the Mwandishi group player, Bennie Maupin who is on Bitches Brew. The Jewel in the Lotus is a wonderful album. Another few albums I would have liked to see on this list that I think wonderful from Bitches Brew alumni are Wyane Shorter's fantastic Odyssey of Iska, Lenny White's Venusian Summer (the suite is so good), and Larry Young's Lawrence of Newark -- I could go on cause the BB alumni are amazing. When i just saw the title, I thought you mean more infleunced by BB, in which case Donald Byrd's Electric Byrd is a fantastic album. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 11:55pm
Nothing but The Truth in this post ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 3:24am
You're entirely right!!  It's Maupin I meant to speak of ----------------- As for Byrd's Kofi and Ethiopian Knights, they're both excellent albums, but not really directly related to BB I'll check out Lenny White Venusian Summer ASAP, though!!  ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....  |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 4:12am
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^ That's good, because you've already rated it.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 4:48am
This is downright weird!!   I never heard any Lenny White albums (didn't even know he made some).... and I would've rated three  of them??Weirder thing is that these ratings don't show up in dark red in the second row of stars (for the personal rating) under the albums... What's up??
 ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 10:40am
| See if that has happened elsewhere and report it in the bugs section. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 12:36pm
Not sure about Kofi and Ethipian Knights, and I know that Electric Byrd is not an off-shoot, and so not applicable to the poll, but I mean that that Byrd album was inspired by Bitches Brew and so until I read the first post, it is one I was expecting to see on the list. Great album anyway. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2011 at 7:33am
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OK, I hear some LW albums (the 1st & 4th), and will listen to two more next week
Venusian Summer is more like Head Hunters (HH) meets Carlos' Caravanserai...
Soooo, I wouldn't really say it's a close cousin to BB... but it's amazing JR/F (what a classy guest list as well>> read my review)
------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 10:48pm
| Ian Carr's Nucleus was heavily influenced by Bitches Brew, almost to the point of plagiarizing. Labyrinth comes to mind. |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 10:51pm
| Weather Report's Live in Tokyo. |