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Topic: The 70's Jazz-rock/fusion appreciation society
Posted By: Sean Trane
Subject: The 70's Jazz-rock/fusion appreciation society
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 3:49am
This was lacking, so far
 
 
 
ooooops, I might have posted this in the wrong forum, thoughEmbarrassed
Please move if you think so..



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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:30pm
count me in

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Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:36pm
70's Jazz Rock Fusion is my favorite Jazz genre. For various reasons it is the only Jazz genre that I followed.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 6:13pm
as cheesy and stuck in the 70s the stuff is, it's great music--  I even still like DiMeola's early stuff, dated as it is




Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 2:17am
Mahavishnu Orchestra, Al Di Meola and Stanlry Clarke are similar in certain musical ideas. 

Leb I Sol are great band frrom Macedonia.

Perigeo is a great band from Italy.


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 3:06am
Yes - love this era in any genre! file://%5C%5CJohn" rel="nofollow - \\John MacLaughlin is unbeatable

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 3:31am
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

as cheesy and stuck in the 70s the stuff is, it's great music--  I even still like DiMeola's early stuff, dated as it is


Cheesy???Confused
 
Maybe ADM, but it's definitely not the first word that comes to mind when thinking of 70's JR/F


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

as cheesy and stuck in the 70s the stuff is, it's great music--  I even still like DiMeola's early stuff, dated as it is


Cheesy???Confused
 
Maybe ADM, but it's definitely not the first word that comes to mind when thinking of 70's JR/F


yea, what?

If anything was cheesy, it probably came out in the very late 70s, and even then there was still good stuff coming out at those times.


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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 6:32pm
I don't know, I see what he means.

It's due in part to musical cliches.


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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 6:37pm
To a lot of jazz fans, fusion can have a certain excessiveness that is more similar to rock than jazz. I like early fusion, but I know a lot of my friends who were into Bop were not into it at all.


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 3:38am
Originally posted by js js wrote:

To a lot of jazz fans, fusion can have a certain excessiveness that is more similar to rock than jazz. I like early fusion, but I know a lot of my friends who were into Bop were not into it at all.
I'd tend to agree with you that I much prefer the 69 to 75 fusion than the later 70's as well...
 
For me Black Market and a few others albums in that genre marked a new much-slicker era than the previous rawer and more powerful stuff from yesteryears.


Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:46am
My favourite jazz genre though I understand why it may not be amongst the purists with a lot of stuff leaning more heavily towards the rock side. So much great stuff in the seventies.....


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:57am
I think that maybe is my favorite jazz sub genre too. Of course it isn't pure jazz. But it is a good kind of music.


Posted By: MarkFusion93
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 9:36am
No mentions of Weather Report yet. I bought Heavy Weather recently. A fantastic album with great playing and a more mellow traditional Jazz approach then a lot of other Fusion

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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 9:51am
Nice album! Weather report are good! Also, no one has mentioned Soft machine. Classic band!


Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 10:42am
I've listened "Stanley Clarke" and Jack DeJohnette "Sorcery"... Great albums! My reviews is on the way!

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:12pm
I like the early fusion from 67-71, then the "classic" era from 72-74. After that, it's hit or miss (more hit than miss, until the late 70s)

but it's hard to really say, some artists/bands peaked at different times in this genre. Some didn't even start until around 72-74

From my experience, if it came out before 1979, it's almost guaranteed at least "good", and most times it's gold.


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 6:15pm

Near the top for me as well. Guess its because when I first got into many of these artists, it was from a prog point of view. At least things like Soft Machine and Brand X and such. Stuff like Weather Report i actually explored through the jazz side of things. Probably strange, but there you have it.

And this kind of fusion is much better to my ears than more modern fusion of today (like Niacin and the like). The 70s were indeed great for music.


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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 8:50pm
This is what I like and not just the same handful of bands.  There was much more that created the genre so let's here about them also.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 1:40am
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

This is what I like and not just the same handful of bands.  There was much more that created the genre so let's here about them also.


some of my favorite's from the 70s that arent always mentioned

Brand X
Sloche
Jan Hammer Group
Larry Coryell & The Eleventh House
Leb i Sol
Missus Beastly
Fermata
John Scofield
that "JACO" album with Jaco, Metheny, Paul Bley, and others...
Billy Cobham/George Duke Band
Chet Baker



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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 9:30am
Fusion was my gateway into the world of jazz music.  As a bass player, I was looking for some instrumentalists to listen to, and the name Jaco kept coming up.  I heard he was in Weather Report, and thankfully my dad has a number of their albums on vinyl.  I started there, then went to Return to Forever, then probably Herbie Hancock/Headhunters.  The first time I heard Bitches Brew (not quite 70s but close enough) I didn't know what to make of it.  A second listen months later got me to appreciate it more, and from there I branched out to Miles' other work, his sidemens' other work, etc. until I had full-blown jazz-itis.


Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 4:40pm
Listening to "The Eighties" by Chick Corea I reflected on how Fusion could be born (listening to "Essential Miles Davis" stands out more): at some point for some Jazz musicians acoustic sounds and rhythms Bop and Hard Bop were tight. Looking for new sounds they encountered in electric/ electronic instruments (bass, keyboards ...). They have tried to use it and understood the potential of these instruments they have included these instruments in their music. Of course it was all natural ... The first Fusion of Miles Davis was an electric version of what has been done so far.

I got it wrong?


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 2:19am
Originally posted by 1967/ 1976 1967/ 1976 wrote:

The first Fusion of Miles Davis was an electric version of what has been done so far.


that more or less describes the music of Miles In The Sky


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Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 11:29am
I'm not saying I'm right but if we listen to this CD by Miles Davis:
MILES DAVIS - The Second Spring cover
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http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/miles-davis--the-second-spring%28live%29.aspx#buy-music" rel="nofollow">Buy this album from MMA partners

Live album · 1991

Filed under  http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/classic-fusion%28subgenre%29.aspx" rel="nofollow - Classic Fusion

Tracklist

1. Spring (Part Two) (42:35)

Line-up/Musicians

- Bill Evans / sax
- Mike Stern / guitar
- Marens Miller / bass
- Al Foster / drums
- Mino Cinelu / percussion
- Miles Davis / trumpet, keyboards

About this release

1991: Paradise/ Abraxas P1030-2

Live in Rome (April 22, 1982)



We can see that the music is a new version hard bop, because:






Only one song in this "Second Spring", a live CD by Miles Davies (that I bought for €2,00), published in 1991 and recorded in Rome (Italy) April 22, 1982 by Miles Davis Sextet. The basic stile of "Second Spring (part two)" (that is 42 and half mins long) is Hard Bop but the presence of electronic keyboards putthis release in Classic Fusion field. The music is not explosive but reflective, not so technical but with great feeling, magic and power. 

Certainly other artists use too much Rock in their mixture of rock and jazz, sometimes ending up in Heavy Metal, sometimes getting too Rock Progressive.

For me Classic Fusion is still 100% Jazz, crtainly with tons of Rock. But for his roots, for me Classic Fusion is 100% Jazz.


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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 11:49am
Nice! I wasn't remembering that Mike Stern had played with Miles Davis.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by 1967/ 1976 1967/ 1976 wrote:

The first Fusion of Miles Davis was an electric version of what has been done so far.


that more or less describes the music of Miles In The Sky

And not too far from the style of Filles de Kilimanjaro.


Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 5:01am
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/return-to-forever.aspx" rel="nofollow - - Romantic Warrior Album · 1976 · Classic Fusion
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/return-to-forever--romantic-warrior.aspx" rel="nofollow">Cover art
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Return To Forever... One of the most great and ingenious band in the world: Jazz, Rock or... Whatever it play! In this case RTF play a type of Fusion that is too close to Prog Rock. In my opinion with "Romantic Warrior" are inserted between instruments duels that will be taken by many Heavy Metal groups. This due to the style of Al Di Meola on guitar and Stanley Clarke on bass. Another point is the insertion of Classic Music partiture in a Rock partiture with Jazz treatment. The production is too close to Rock than to Jazz and, also for this motive, I think that the music of "Romantic Warrior is close to Prog Metal. Not for this, or due for this, the music of this "Romantic Warrior" is more Fusion that other Fusion music.

Interestig are the instruments duels, what makes Jazz the music, because the rest is pure Rock, Hard Rock. The sound of keyboards is powerfully joyful as the guitars and the bass is incredibly powerful, as the percussive instruments are a great motor. The arrangiaments are in Jazz style but the writing style is a mix between Classic Music and Rock, as is incredibly evident in "Duel Of The Jester And The Tyrant" or in "Majestic Dance", in this case in a great mix with Folk. The power of music are mixed with the Latino sensibility of Corea and Di Meola, the power of Stanley Clarke and the Jazz motor of Lenny White: now the music it is as if it were still 1976: the magic and the feeling are still too evident!

I have not other words to describe this incredible album, a Masterpiece of XXth Century music, Jazz, Rock, Fusion, Classic Music or Heavy Metal that it is!


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Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 5:10am
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http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/bill-brufords-earthworks.aspx" rel="nofollow - - Footloose and Fancy Free Live album · 2002 · Classic Fusion
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StarStarStarStar1/2 Recorded live at the PizzaExpress Jazz Club, Siho, june 23rd and 24th 2001, "Footlose and Fancy Free" is a good album if Classic Fusion please you. Only that this album is all acoustic. But this is only a small detail.

Bill Bruford was the drummer of Yes and King Crimson and in first UK album Bill plays a good related Jazz Rock version of Symphonic Prog. So it seemed natural, even considering the evolution of King Crimson, that Bill conceive great Jazz albums. I do not have other albums by Bill (soloist or with Earthworks) but this live album is extremely good, for me.

Fusion or not (but this is fusion? Hmmm... Because no?) Bill played with great technique and precision and the rest of the band is great (Steve Hamilton to piano is a great machine as Patrick Clahar to saxes). In general this album is for connoisseurs, although very immediate and not too technical. As in other jazz albums, for me is the final result that should OK, for me. 2 hours of Jazz that weigh no to anyone and, of course, frees the mind. It is clear that this album present more Jazz that Rock. And not because acoustic.

In definitive if for you Bill Bruford is only Yes, King Crimson or UK... You are outside of the road. Bill Bruford is only a drummer, in this case a great Jazz drummer. That please you or not.
 
 
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/chick-corea.aspx" rel="nofollow - - The Eighties Boxset / Compilation · 2003 · Classic Fusion
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"Eighties" is a Chick Corea compilation focused on 1986/ 1993 production. Not all compositions are Classic Fusion but, in a good view, this is the genre that is good for this compilation.

In this compilation compositions have been included enough interesting for a general audience but also for those who love Jazz. In general these compositions (that please me all at the same manner... Also if "Trance Dance", "Got A Match?" and "Blue Miles" have a superior magic, for me) not present virtuoso or solo parts complicated or heavy, tired and confused that who does not love Jazz. In other words, Rock is not the base of the songs and Jazz is only a colour, because Fusion, also in Fusion composition, is only a component of the music. But if you search POP Jazz in Chick Corea you are outside of the road. Corea's music is 100% traditional Jazz but written for a generalist audience, so that the contamination are present but not invadents.

Certainly acoustic or electric the music of Armando "Chick" Corea not change. And also this compilation present only 10 composotion composed between 1986 and 1993 for the presence of excellent musicians (all stars of modern Jazz) I think that if you do not have nothing of Chick Corea this is a good compilation.

http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/billy-cobham.aspx" rel="nofollow - - The Best Of Boxset / Compilation · 1979 · Classic Fusion
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Billy Cobham is one of my preferred drummer. In my opinion this "The Best Of" is a good compilation if you do not know Billy Cobham. All the songs are written by the same Billy cobham except "Do What Cha Wanna" that is written by George Duke and that is performed live with George Duke Band. Except for "Quadrant 4" that is a savage Heavy Metal/ Jazz fusion with double bass drums the rest of the album is more funkysh. But the great technique of Billy on drums was great also if the music is funkysh.

In definitive view Billy Cobham is a great drummer and good songwriten. That in 70's are at his apex. And this compilation is good. Not only for Billy's newbies.



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Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 08 May 2011 at 5:00am
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/jack-dejohnette.aspx" rel="nofollow - - Sorcery Album · 1974 · Classic Fusion
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StarStarStarStar "Sorcery" isn't a Fusion album but an album of Electric Bop. And for this motive "Sorcery" is an album of Fusion. Unreservedly Jack DeJohnette able to record an album very technical and easy to read. This is because Jack has a great musical sensibility and, in a period where everyone was trying to play hard, he tries to communicate what the music can be emotion and melody. With these ingredients "Sorcery" becomes an album of POP Fusion but not an album of POP Jazz, because 100% Bop. (P.s.: I do not have other words to describe this concept... Excuse me).

The experience of "Sorcery" is a soert of trip to the dreams and shadows of an human mind and for this fact I think that "Sorcery" is a good album if magic, inventive and feelings are what we seek in music.


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Posted By: seb2112
Date Posted: 29 May 2011 at 3:29pm
I got into jazz fusion through the prog side of things, and fusion is 95% of the jazz I listen to.  I`m listening to a Soft Machine live CD from the period where Holdsworth was playing guitar for them right now and loving it. Some great bands not yet mentioned in this thread are Passport and Nucleus, two of the first bands I got into when I started discovering fusion. It`s hard to draw the line between fusion jazz and canterburry prog, I really enjoy Gilgamesh and National Health and I`d say they`re pretty darn close to being fusion.
 
Rahmann only released one album, but it`s a damn good one. I concider it fusion, but it`s often classified as Zeuhl or RIO because of it`s association with Magma (a band of which I am NOT a fan)
 
Hermann Szobel only recorded one album and then disapeared off the face of the world, but it is easily in my top 5 70`s fusion records and well worth checking out for anyone who has never heard it
 
Bill bruford`s 2 studio and 1 live albums in the fusion genre are also excellent, although I`m not a fan of earthworks
 
And although they`ve been mentioned, I want to point out thtta the first 3 al di meola records, the first 2 Brand X records and all the musc Mahavishnu Orchestra released in the 70`s are pure gold and amongst the best music ever produced
 
We should open a thread for fusion post-70s thats worth checking out. Overall the quality of fusion is far from being what it used to be, but we do have some great bands still banging out awesome fusion records like Planeta Imaginario (borderling canterburry prog again) and One Shot (yet another Magma-associated band yet I dislike the ``original`` band so much)


Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 12:37pm
Indeed, some of my favorite music comes from this genre. My favorite jazz album is Big Fun by Miles Davis which IMO defines this era of fusion. Can't really go wrong with anything from 70's fusion. Thumbs Up

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2011 at 1:32pm
We should have a thread for 80s fusion, 90s fusion, and 2000s fusion

Honestly, I think I have less 90s fusion than from any other decade


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Posted By: trinidadx13
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 2:41am
Love 70's fusion....the holy grail in fusion. Why did the 80's get so boring?


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:21am
^ synth guitars?


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:45am
Wait, synth guitars are considered boring?


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:48am
I was mostly kidding, some people get nice things out of them, but a lot of guitar players in the 80s used really cheesy sounds with their synth guitars.


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:12am
Yes. But that's interesting.


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 7:47pm
Did someone say synth guitar, boring.  McLaughlin gets good sound from his.
 


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:34pm
Still, I think that the fusion album that PMG announced in the 80's is good.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

Still, I think that the fusion album that PMG announced in the 80's is good.

Which one? American Garage?


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:50pm
Yes. American Garage is a good album. Or, Still Life is also good. I often listen to them.


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:03pm

Features might be united to some degree as the music character of PMG. Each characteristic and the idea by ECM and Geffen might have joined it, too. PMG in the 80's might often have the element of World Fusion. I think initial PMG also for an experimental element to exist as a subjective opinion. I thought one directionality to have been established when Pat Metheny announced the off-ramp.

Point that Pat Metheny considered band anyway. And, it is convinced that the existence of Lyle Mays is very important for PMG.



Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:07pm
^Yes, American Garage is fantastic up-lifting fusion.

Offramp has grown on me a lot, its dark mood, I now find it another masterful album. 


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 2:52am
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

We should have a thread for 80s fusion, 90s fusion, and 2000s fusion

Honestly, I think I have less 90s fusion than from any other decade
 
 
Really not a fan of most 80's fusion.... It had lost all kinds of energy compared to the 70's.... bad synth and shoddy 80's production values are also major setbacks.  It's why I don't really like ECM-type of fusion.... too cool and dead, IMHO.
 
90's are not much better, but it seems that energy levels were on the rise... and some of those 80's trademarks disappeared
 
 
 
Originally posted by Prog Geo Prog Geo wrote:

Wait, synth guitars are considered boring?
 
Of couse, synclaviers (I refuse to put a capital s to that crap) are the worst thing that could've happened to jazz guitar.... it took all of the biting edge of guitar sounds and smoothed it out beyond commen sense.
 
Listen to McL throughout the 80's, he sounds like a weenie version of his former self

 

 

 

 



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Posted By: Jazz Pianist
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 2:54pm
STRATUS Heart


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 4:13pm
Anybody knows of Second Vision with John Etheridge??

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 11:37am
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

We should have a thread for 80s fusion, 90s fusion, and 2000s fusion

Honestly, I think I have less 90s fusion than from any other decade
 
 
Really not a fan of most 80's fusion.... It had lost all kinds of energy compared to the 70's.... bad synth and shoddy 80's production values are also major setbacks.  It's why I don't really like ECM-type of fusion.... too cool and dead, IMHO.
 
90's are not much better, but it seems that energy levels were on the rise... and some of those 80's trademarks disappeared
 


overall I agree about the 80s, but there was good stuff from that decade. 90's fusion is generally my least preferred, which is why I love 2000s fusion. It's like a fusion of 70s fusion with 2000s rock/metal energy, or maybe infuse more funk and jazz. Either way, I think I like 2000s fusion so much because of the great production values compared to 80s and 90s


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Anybody knows of Second Vision with John Etheridge??


Yes. Post Soft Machine collaboration with Ric Sanders, jazz rock  folk made before the violinist headed off to the Fairports - issued on CD by Blueprint.  A reminder that Etheridge has played with a lot of violinists during his career - Darryl Way, Nigel Kennedy,  Stephane Grapelli also immediately come to mind.


Posted By: Moshkito
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2011 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Yes - love this era in any genre! file://%5C%5CJohn" rel="nofollow - \\John MacLaughlin is unbeatable
 
Dang ... I could have sworn that Deodato did not do Strauss on that Kubrick film but I have to go check my madness boutique!


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 3:15am
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Anybody knows of Second Vision with John Etheridge??


Yes. Post Soft Machine collaboration with Ric Sanders, jazz rock  folk made before the violinist headed off to the Fairports - issued on CD by Blueprint.  A reminder that Etheridge has played with a lot of violinists during his career - Darryl Way, Nigel Kennedy,  Stephane Grapelli also immediately come to mind.
hadn't see youranswer, Dick, sorry!!!
 
 
I've tried to find this, but apparently it's OOP, rare or scarce or never reissued on CD


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2012 at 6:43pm
The question is, which era of 70s fusion is the best? The 1969-1972 era, or the 1973-1976 era? First one was overall more psychedelic inspired, spacey, still very jazzy, raw, and really open; whereas the second brought more funky moods, synthesizers, tighter rhythms, and felt more composed.

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 2:27am
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

The question is, which era of 70s fusion is the best? The 1969-1972 era, or the 1973-1976 era? First one was overall more psychedelic inspired, spacey, still very jazzy, raw, and really open; whereas the second brought more funky moods, synthesizers, tighter rhythms, and felt more composed.
 
 
 
I'm really a first wave JR/F fan (preferring Mwandishi to Head Hunters by a million miles >> notwithstanding Davis of courseWink) , but the real break for me came later than these two periods
 
I really think that the funk became even more evident in JR/F after 76, and notably when Pastorius joined WR (Black Market) >> This is a totally personal view, but the influence that album had on everyone kind of triggered or provoked what I view as JR/F's decline...
 
 
 Of course before that BM album, we'd seen plenty of jazzers try out their luck solo ventures  in funk-jazz rock or jazz-funk as I like to call it  (thinking of Stanley Clarke, for ex)...


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 11:02am
Jaco changed the entire landscape of jazz-rock/fusion in 1976 (that's kinda why I made the cut-off '76). Just about every fusion bassist to come out after that was inspired by Jaco in some way or another.

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 11:42am
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Jaco changed the entire landscape of jazz-rock/fusion in 1976 (that's kinda why I made the cut-off '76). Just about every fusion bassist to come out after that was inspired by Jaco in some way or another.
 
UNFORTUNATELY!!!Unhappy
 
not a big fan of his over-playing


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2012 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Jaco changed the entire landscape of jazz-rock/fusion in 1976 (that's kinda why I made the cut-off '76). Just about every fusion bassist to come out after that was inspired by Jaco in some way or another.
 
UNFORTUNATELY!!!Unhappy
 
not a big fan of his over-playing


Maybe for some 80s and 90s fusion albums, but many of the 2000s and 2010s fusion albums I've heard, where the bassist is influenced by Jaco (or Victor Wooten), they're more tasteful, not to mention I feel the genre has improved since around the mid-2000s. I also enjoy Jaco's style, and those influenced by him, anyway.


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Posted By: Dean Watson
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 5:32am
This is certainly my kind of genre - I grew up with it - I lived it during its heyday.  I'm older now, and still, listening to it.  Perhaps I'm a little toned down, more of a Yellowjackets kinda guy.  I write harder though, anyway, fantastic complex genre, and completely love it.
 
Did any of that make sense?


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 6:19am
^ sure did

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 12:28pm
Aside from certain Zappa albums, 70s jazz-fusion has just not been on lately. Been mostly listening to 90s/2000s/2010s fusion. Maybe I discovered all I want/need from this decade in the fusion world.


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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 12:55pm
I was raised on that stuff, don't listen to it much anymore, but still like  a lot of it.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 1:01pm
Sure, if it's on I'll enjoy it, and I do throw on the odd album here and there, but lately I haven't been feeling it. I did get Return to Forever's recent album, and while the original songs are from the 70s, the music itself is very much more modern, in fact, it's one of the band's best albums.

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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 1:06pm
There is a live album of the 7th Galaxy version of the band that came out not long ago. It is very intense.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 1:15pm
7th Galaxy??

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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 1:26pm
Thats short for Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy. A lot of people refer to that band as the 7th Galaxy band, the version with Connors on guitar. That live album has smokin hot playing from Corea and White.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 1:38pm
Ohhhhh I see. I was confused. That came out recently? I may have to check that out.

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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 1:43pm
Its a different side of the band, very aggressive and energetic. Corea's Rhodes has that natural distortion sound.


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 2:01pm
Here's the album:
Check out tracks 6,7 and 8.
http://www.amazon.com/Return-To-The-Seventh-Galaxy/dp/B000WQPT8K" rel="nofollow - http://www.amazon.com/Return-To-The-Seventh-Galaxy/dp/B000WQPT8K


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2013 at 2:06pm
Oh, I've seen that before, I thought it was just a compilation album.

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2013 at 2:49am
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Oh, I've seen that before, I thought it was just a compilation album.
 
This is a compilation album.... It concentrates on the four Polydor albums (from LaaF to No Mystery), but adds some previously unavailable great live tracks from different eras (not just 7thG)
 
It's about time I order it (only heard it through the library system)
 


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