Cool Jazz Head to Head - Bill vs Dave
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Topic: Cool Jazz Head to Head - Bill vs Dave
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Subject: Cool Jazz Head to Head - Bill vs Dave
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 12:42am
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Here's a poll that I expect Dave to win, which is certainly ok, but I'd also like to hear any cool jazz pairings you think would be close? There's a few Bill Evans albums I prefer to Waltz..., but I wanted to put one of his biggest up against Time Out   ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 2:25am
| Bill Evans will always top Brubek in my book, two different worlds. |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2012 at 7:24am
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^ very, very different players huh? It's easy to think of Bill as similar to an Impressionist painter or a Romantic composer, whereas Dave seems to have composed more instantly recognisable pieces across his career perhaps Maybe this is a tougher match up than I thought, pitting a live trio album against a studio quartet release, but then, that shouldn't matter really. A good album is a good album.  ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2012 at 1:07pm
| Brubek is a great player, but Evans gets inside of tunes and takes them apart. He makes it sound pretty, but Evans is a deconstructionist. At least thats how I hear it, but I'm hardly an "expert" on either. |
Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 10:20am
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I prefer 'TIme Out' to 'Waltz...', but taking into account other albums too , Bill Evans is the winner for me ------------- I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ... Ken Burns |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 6:17pm
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From what I know of Cool Jazz (not pretending to be an expert), Time Out doesn't sound much like it (except maybe for Desmond's soft sax).... The tricky time sigs of Take Five or Blue Rondo and others are not CJ, IMHO Maybe because he (Brubeck) was from the west coast, (and most of these jazzers were lumped in CJ), but TO is neither CJ nor is it bop... it's kind of unclassifiable ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....  |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 7:25pm
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^ I agree, it's a stand out album that stradles boundaries so very well, but I'd also suggest that there's nothing to say Cool Jazz can't be sophisticated, huh? ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 8:44pm
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Brubek himself is a bit of a mixed bag, sort of his own thing, but Morello and Desmond were the essence of cool jazz, particularly Desmond. Cool jazz was just a reaction to the "hot" jazz of Bop. Parker and Gillespie had taken Bop to such extremes that people couldn't really keep up anymore, hence the more relaxed sounds of cool jazz. Certain types of almost 3rd stream type sophistications were also part of the cool scene, a certain chamber music effect. Not all cool players were on the west coast though, one of my favorites, George Shearing, was from the UK. |