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Topic: Return To Forever, not belonging to RFT?
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Subject: Return To Forever, not belonging to RFT?
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 6:21pm
I'm referring to the classic album by Chick Corea's RTF:  http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/chick-corea--return-to-forever.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/chick-corea--return-to-forever.aspx

I was expecting to find this under Return To Forever, not Chick Corea solo. Was I wrong Question



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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 6:35pm
Technically its a Corea album called "Return to Forever", me personally, I would have put it with RTF, but that was Slava's call  ....go yell at him.  LOL


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 6:37pm
I think that while it was supposed to be a solo Corea album, the fact that it spanned a new, long-lasting band, should make this album the debut release of the band. Cool to see that at least you agree. Smile


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 6:37pm
Yes, it's often stated as a RtF album.

But I'm ok with it being in Corea's solo discography, since that's where it really belongs. It's an ECM album, undoubtedly the label Chick was playing on as a soloist, but with the band RtF he started with Polydor.


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 6:50pm
^ That's correct, but is it enough an argument?

Anyway, it's part of the RTF discography on Wikipedia and RYM, but not on AllMusic.


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 6:56pm
Its Salva's fault, go yell at him. Wink


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:11pm

I think that the name of RTF changes with the album if my memory is certain.

Return to Forever - Chick Corea

Light As A Feather - Chick Corea and Return to Forever

I think that I formally announced the album by the name of RTF since 3rd album.



Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:16pm
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

I think that the name of RTF changes with the album if my memory is certain.

Return to Forever - Chick Corea

Light As A Feather - Chick Corea and Return to Forever

I think that I formally announced the album by the name of RTF since 3rd album.



Yes, but their 3rd, 4th, and 5th albums also include "...featuring Chick Corea" or something similar. Romantic Warrior was the first to just bill the album as only "Return to Forever"


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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:24pm
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

I think that the name of RTF changes with the album if my memory is certain.

Return to Forever - Chick Corea

Light As A Feather - Chick Corea and Return to Forever

I think that I formally announced the album by the name of RTF since 3rd album.



Yes, but their 3rd, 4th, and 5th albums also include "...featuring Chick Corea" or something similar. Romantic Warrior was the first to just bill the album as only "Return to Forever"
Ah. Yes. It is correct. I was missing the mark of album art.


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:27pm
The first controversy from JMA's history? Approve


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

The first controversy from JMA's history? Approve

I won't be able to sleep tonight.  Confused


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:40pm
Don't blame it on me, go yell to...

Tongue


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:42pm
Should I abandon work though Japan is time of work now?Confused


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2011 at 2:20am
Placing of Chick Corea's "Return To Forever"  album is always controversial oneWink. You can find different versions ,almost 50/50. Looking formally, it is just his regular album on ECM, named "Return To Forever". At the moment of its release (it is important ) RTF didn't exist as band. 

Later on  a success of this release Corea developed the idea to separate project ,using same (album's) name as band's name. Band under the name of RTF was signed with Polydor (not ECM, as Corea's "Return To Forever" album), from that moment the series of real RTF releases were started (later continued on CBS/Columbia).

I understand "Return To Forever" placing under RTF on PA, where Corea's solo works aren't presented at all: it was the only way to include excellent album (even if not much jazz-rock fusion one). There on JMA we have Corea's discog presented in full, so can't see why genuinely his solo album should be placed somewhere else.

Just my point of view Smile


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2011 at 6:05am
You're the expert Slava, I trust you. 


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2011 at 6:44am
I hope such placing is even more useful for newbies. The name, written on album is Chick Corea, so naturally one can search the artist under that name (even if not familiar with RTF). Everyone, who knows both will easily find this release because there are not too many places where this album could be placed Wink

Just my logic again...


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2011 at 11:17am
it all makes sense

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