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Ricochet
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Okay, serious mode.
The site is new, the ratings for a specific album are few (or in many cases just one), they obviously need to settle in time. A lot of folks (especially from PA) have expressed coming here to hear new and great jazz, so they could very well focus on what they liked a lot. I find that there are few of us who are looking into jazz encyclopedically. Other than that, every member would now need to come and explain his methods / why isn't he more critic (in case he's one of those putting a lot of stars in) / why he's not thinking more globally about jazz instead of how much his pleasure points were tickled by some specific improv etc. I think there's a bit of harrassing in this. |
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Sean Trane
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Edited.... Edited by Sean Trane - 15 Jul 2011 at 3:25am |
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Sean Trane
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edited....
Edited by Sean Trane - 15 Jul 2011 at 3:25am |
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Sean Trane
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I now feel less alone on my planet!!!!
Slava, thanks for wording my concernso much than I could've done it!
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Cannonball With Hat
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@ Snobb: Well I think using any ol' rating system is a problem, being the site gives specific guildlines of how to rate albums. I have the same gripe at PA. People should rate albums according to the guidlines. You have the review to explain it and do with as you please. But it seems people prefer using their own personal liking scale. This does create a problem. Using different types of rating systems does lead to some inconsistancies.
As for the topic...I imagine things will iron out better with more reviews/ratings. Which does imply more people. Preferrably these are people with some sort of jazz/music knowledge but people nonetheless. I don't usually keep up with reviews or the non forum parts of the site. How many reviews does jma have anyway? (How many members for the matter) Edited by Cannonball With Hat - 11 Jul 2011 at 10:11pm |
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Hit it on Five.
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Ricochet
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I like how we're jumping to the conclusion that this will be pointless arguing and nitpicking.
Now, Hugues, moving on this new site was a good chance not to appear elitist compared to the rest of us, you obviously didn't care for that. |
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js
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This sort of speculation is not what the "Help us Improve the site" thread is supposed to be for, consider this thread moved.
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Kazuhiro
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I have submitted a review of Love Beach of ELP to the PA before. The rating that I acquired was a 3 star.
I do not yet receive an attack.
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js
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Somebody worries too much.
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snobb
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I believe this thread could be long as life and full of endless fights. I think every music fan has his own scale for albums he listened,and such scales are very various. The only thing I'm always surprise seeing a lot of 5* ratings for very marginal albums. It's not even question of taste - I just can't believe there are tens of 5* jazz albums released every year.
I don't speak about jazz "golden fund" releases (and even them are great for some people and far not so great for others), but seeing for example almost everything what is released by modern days ECM rated as 5* albums looks a bit strange for me: yes,the label found their successful formula for contemporary jazz sales,but unfortunately such albums are usually very similar between each other. So -if you think one of them is masterpiece,it means all other clones are masterpieces as well? Same with third stream piano albums - if you like "Koln Concert" (personally I don't),does it means any other Jarrett solo piano release is masterpiece only because Jarrett repeats same formula regularly? It's just my very personal opinion, but I think there some really great albums of almost every jazz or jazz-related genre (as rule released when one ore another sub-genre was on it's artistic peak), but total number of masterpieces is tens at best,not hundreds. Speaking about 80s,90s or 00s,I am really happy when one five star album could be found for every year, but it hardly happens. Looking from another hand, fans who believe there are many 5* albums released every year,are real music maniacs - they just LOVE music in general,any music and it's great!
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Sean Trane
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Can't help but wondering about the average ratings on some of these albums in the (still young) JMA database
I know it's about tastes and colours, but....
OK, those who know me from PA know that I'm a fairly "severe or conservative rater", which means that I tend to rate frolmthe middle of the scale as a starting point....
Of course I don't have as vast a knowledge about jazz as I do about prog... so there are entire categories or genres, that are not "my thing", so I'm not likely to give them more than three stars even if they're considered as a masterpiece in their own right or genre.... but I can't help but seeing that a lot of my ratings are considerably lower than other members around the site.
Sooooo the question is: should we not rate more conservatively???
Any thoughts about this?
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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