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The sins of the US are no excuse for the sins of Russia, the fact remains that Putin is an aggressive murderous thug who welcomes your complacency in the face of human suffering.
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Just in case there is any confusion, I am anti-war and anti-imperialism, whether its coming from the US, Russia, China or anyone else.
Wars are fought by poor people to protect the interests of the rich, and Russia is no exception to that.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

That's true but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what the US does in world occupation and theft of other nation's resources. I'm not defending Russia's aggressive behavior in that region by any means but the Syria thing is riddled with inconsistencies in reporting and i have not been convinced either way about what is happening there. And when it's all said and done, it's not our business as Americans to be there. We have a crumbling country and spend all our resources keeping corporations rich.

I respect Putin for a reasons. He has allowed Edward Snowden asylum. Snowden has been heroic in exposing how invasive and insidious our government really is. Also he has been rejecting genetically modified crops and the whole notion of corporations being able to patent life forms. 

In short, Russia has not done anything the US hasn't done a million times over. It's a mixed bag for sure but i'm happy to see another power fighting back against the world domination that our leaders seem to be salivating over.

The same could be said about China, India, Brazil. There are both positive and negative aspects of their nations all playing out simultaneously.

Unfortuantely we live in a univesre where negative and postive energy are in constant flux. This plays out in the human world as dictated by physics. It has always been this way and always will unless we literally pop into a different dimension or something where the rules are different


Putin's aggressive propaganda is in big part based on use of so-called "useful idiots" (http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot) - Westerners who because of one or another reason are not happy with their own government/career/personal life and are searching on "easy" alternative. They are usually too lazy for searching the info in alternative sources and are easy victims of straight Russian propaganda.

In Syria, just some weeks ago Russian planes bombed Red Cross humanitarian help convoy killing lot of drivers and personal. They are dropping bombs on hospitals and schools in areas, controlled by anti pro-Russian regime.  Nothing is strange here though - Putin did totally same in Chechnya some years ago - just destroyed all big town with civil population in his own country. Have any American president ever bombed New Orleans or San Francisco?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/20/un-aid-convoy-attack-syria-us-russia

Snowden - ask him if he's happy living in Russia LOL .  I know only two Americans emigrated to Russia during last 50 yrs - Snowden and folk singer Dean Reed somewhere in 70s. Dean Reed left Russia after few months for E.Germany (can't accept their way of living) and dead after some years from alcoholism.  From other hand, you can see millions of Russian living in Western world - it's difficult to compare life standards in "non-perfect" Western world and 19 century imperialism based Eurasian "soft dictatorship"



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Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

[QUOTE=siLLy puPPy]That's true but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what the US does in world occupation and theft of other nation's resources. I'm not defending Russia's aggressive behavior in that region by any means but the Syria thing is riddled with inconsistencies in reporting and i have not been convinced either way about what is happening there. And when it's all said and done, it's not our business as Americans to be there. We have a crumbling country and spend all our resources keeping corporations rich.

I respect Putin for a reasons. He has allowed Edward Snowden asylum. Snowden has been heroic in exposing how invasive and insidious our government really is. Also he has been rejecting genetically modified crops and the whole notion of corporations being able to patent life forms. 

In short, Russia has not done anything the US hasn't done a million times over. It's a mixed bag for sure but i'm happy to see another power fighting back against the world domination that our leaders seem to be salivating over.

The same could be said about China, India, Brazil. There are both positive and negative aspects of their nations all playing out simultaneously.

Unfortuantely we live in a univesre where negative and postive energy are in constant flux. This plays out in the human world as dictated by physics. It has always been this way and always will unless we literally pop into a different dimension or something where the rules are different


Putin's aggressive propaganda is in big part based on use of so-called "useful idiots" (http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot) - Westerners who because of one or another reason are not happy with their own government/career/personal life and are searching on "easy" alternative. They are usually too lazy for searching the info in alternative sources and are easy victims of straight Russian propaganda.

I will not disagree that there are too many idiots who just buy the goods with absolutely no research. Most Americans are sheep and that's we just had the two lamest candidates of all time compete for president 

In Syria, just some weeks ago Russian planes bombed Red Cross humanitarian help convoy killing lot of drivers and personal. They are dropping bombs on hospitals and schools in areas, controlled by anti pro-Russian regime.  Nothing is strange here though - Putin did totally same in Chechnya some years ago - just destroyed all big town with civil population in his own country. Have any American president ever bombed New Orleans or San Francisco?

I understand the stance about Syria but there is plenty of emerging evidence that the US has been funding groups like Da' esh and is trying harder and harder to establish NATO forces ever closer to Russia's borders. I see some (not all) of what Russia is doing for it to protect itself from the ever closer creeping invaders. Is it justified? Who knows. I'm just saying i understand their tactics. The US is more complicated than a president bombing parts of our country. In our case, we slaughtered the Native Americans in great numbers, took their lands and used slave labor to build the infrastructure. Then we stole large parts of Mexico and other lands across the world for our military bases. The police have been killing innocent people for some time here and neglect is rampant. Flint, Michigan's water supply for example as well as what happens after hurricanes and other disasters. They are destroying cities by not doing anything. 

Snowden - ask him if he's happy living in Russia LOL .  I know only two Americans emigrated to Russia during last 50 yrs - Snowden and folk singer Dean Reed somewhere in 70s. Dean Reed left Russia after few months for E.Germany (can't accept their way of living) and dead after some years from alcoholism.  From other hand, you can see millions of Russian living in Western world - it's difficult to compare life standards in "non-perfect" Western world and 19 century imperialism based Eurasian "soft dictatorship"

I can't argue with that one! I have visited Russia and many Eastern European nations. While i could totally see living in Krakow or Prague for example, Russia did NOT appeal to me at all. There are many, many things i do not like about Russia, but there are other things i do. I feel if they ever got their act together they could be an amazing country but they took the wrong road after WW2 just like we did in my opinion. Both nations have become aggressive behemoths at the expense of others. I'm sure Snowden would rather be home but the government here is the evil empire and he pissed on their parade
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Krakow and Prague are excellent places to live, as well as Budapest or Vilnius as well Smile All these places are million miles away from any Russian town

If you know Russian history and culture you know that what you call "problem" with Russian way is not after WWII problem, but last 700-800 yrs problem. It's a theme for separate discussion, but for sure you know that they don't find their way starting from Novgorod Rus' and Moscow Rus' era. Are they Europe - no way. Are they Asia - partially yes. Their elite are often impressed by Western civilization, but simple people and big part of authorities are heavily rooted in Genghis Khan Golden Horde culture.
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^ I haven't been to Vilnius but the 3 Baltic States are definately on my list. I did go to Hrodna, Belarus right next door to you though :)  I agree with everything you're saying. I read an entire history book on Russia although i've forgotten much of it at this point. They have always been poised to be the next empire on earth and then shoot themselves in the foot. However, there have been amazing amounts of hidden scientific research that has emerged from the former Soviet Uniion. They accomplished many amazing things although it was mostly at the expense of the average person. I'm very interested in that country for some reason. It's just plain weird
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I know Hrodna - whole Belarus is quite unique museum of Soviet Union stayed till nowadays. Russia mostly lost this spirit, but Belorus behave as if Soviet Union still exists.  In some places you can feel like you're in Russia ca. 1985.

Baltics have no relation with all this , closest town to imagine what Vilnius is is Krakow


Not sure what kind of Soviet researches you mean - technological? Soviets did a lot but almost everything has been related with military industry. Almost nothing has been done till the proper stage though. Soon after graduation in mid 80s I dealt with nano-coverings projects, five or six yrs ago I did some research for Oxford University on same subject - Russians offered them technologies from that field. I've been almost shocked that the technology was almost at the same level as in late 80s, and still unfinished.




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Yes, Minsk was very much like a Soviet Union museum. It is literally the strangest place i've ever visited. Belarus is definately stuck in a time warp. Yes, i know Lithuania has close ties with Poland because they are Catholic traditionally. Vilnius looks like a wonderful place to visit. I'll get there some day. Still wanting to do the Trans-Siberian Railway from Moscow to Vladivostok.

I'm talking about secret technologies. Keep in mind that most advanced technologies went underground in the 1930s and have been kept from the public eyes ever since. Soviet scientists performed many experiments ranging from pyramid technology to the discovery of orgone energy as well as other metaphysical phenomena that most would call spiritualism. Upon the collapse in the early 90s, much of this was leaked on the nascent internet and has been documented but only discussed in very small circles. The research not only proved aspects of the nature of the uniiverse that the ancients were well aware of (like portal technology etc). 

There is a push by insider's to leak all this information to the public but the illuminati has firm control and a kill switch on the entire power grid and internet so the battle continues on how to relay a full disclosure of 70 years worth of advanced technology onto a mostly unsuspecting world. It's fascinating stuff. Both the Soviets and the US were behind the Nazis in much of this technology and after WW2 the real Nazis lived on in both the Americas and the USSR
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Right 4 days ago (at November 7, the 99-th Jubilee of Bolshevik's Revolution in Russia) there in Minsk Belorussian President Lukashenka opened new Lenin (!) monument in Minsk's central square. No Castros/ Venezuela spend money on such things nowadays. I live just 160 miles away from Minsk, so it's like a time machine travel to the past (it takes 2 hours by modern train, but all Westerners need visas to visit Belorus; traveling by car is more complicated since besides of having visa one must declare his own car as "temporary import item" on Belorussian border, it usually takes few hours  and requires same operation ("re-import of your own car procedures") on return)

Westerners unfamiliar with roots of Russian mentality often  call it "mystical", sometimes it attracts them. Reality is much simpler - Russian mentality/culture has been formed under influence of two strongly opposite factors: Central Asian nomads (starting from Genghis Khan) tradition and West European civilization. Russians are most Western of all Central Asian nation (or most Eastern of European nation - as rusophiles say) and their mentality is a mix of naturally antagonistic Asian irrational mysticism and European rationalism and logic (cemented by Orthodox Christianity - most radical and irrational form of major Christian religion wing)

All history of Russia is a history of internal fights between their two main streams, with variable success from one or another side. Unfortunately for us Westerners, what they are today is an explosive mix of Western consuming society and dark Eurasian irrational believing that nothing depends on single individual, with wish of having "good Czar"  who will  solve all their problems and will make their life better and almost panic fear to make any decision by themselves (and being responsible for the result).

So, for hundreds years Russia was a great soil for millions of mystic and irrational fairy-tails, religions, theories,etc,etc. From Rasputin to Bakunin, to Altay Mountains and Siberian taiga myths,etc,etc. I grew up hearing all that sh*t around and we all insiders knew very well that 99% of that all always were lies. Irrational believers under long-time pressure from dictators just tried to make their life ... "more colorful" creating all that myths (and very often believing in them themselves). If you will dig deeper under almost any of such myth you will realize one day that it's just another nice fairy-tail, you can't blame the nation who stayed in darkness and under pressure for ages for dreaming to live better life though.  Since you speak Russian you most probably know some great books of Russian greatest writer from 90s Victor Pelevin on that subject.

Pelevin was extremely popular during their more liberal period in 90s (during Yeltzin president-ship)
but with increase of Putin's regime many Russians started hating Pelevin and he left Russia for Tibet (not sure if he's still alive and lives there).

Anyway, Westerners for years were attracted by some irrational cultures, just depending on personal taste (and financial possibilities) one could chose Goa,Tibet or less touristic Russian Siberia Smile


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^ I don't disagree with anything you say! I find the culture fascinating because of its complexity. You may be too close for comfort and have little love for the country but from a distance it does have an exotic flair :) 

Goa, Tibet and pretty much every other country is on my list of interest as well. Currently i'm learning Mandarin Chinese and Japanese as i've become interested in those cultures. As far as romanticism the same could be said of the US and Western cultures. True that we have a higher standard of living but we are killing the planet with our consumptive habits. I studied biology with focus on ecology and environmental science and i can honestly say that humanity are the same filthy pigs no matter where they live and which languages they speak. I do admire the Soviet experiment of socialism although doing so under a dictatorial type of leadership was certainly the wrong way to go.

BTW, what does Lithuania provide for the world's economy? I know there is an amber industry on the coast but there must be more going on there than gem stones :)

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Yeh, we are too close for love.... In 13-14 century Lithuania was largest country in all Europe, later we issued first Constitution in Europe (second in the world - after US). And then - starting from late 1700s we were occupied by Russian Empire up to the end of WWI. With total ban of Lithuanian books,papers and schools - in fact under total rusification. Freedom came in 1918 and lasted up to 1940 - Russia occupied us again. With short break between 1941-1944 (we were occupied by Hitler's Germany), Soviet Russian occupation lasted up to late 80s. During WWII on ALL fronts Lithuania lost  around 20 000, starting from 1940 Russian occupants killed or departed to Gulags and Siberia more than 200 000, many of them just died there. Catholic churches around country have been used by occupants for cement or grain warehousing...    But saddest thing is that when Soviet Union just broke up, we all thought that it's a beginning of new possibilities for us and Russians as well. Now , 25 yrs after, they returned back to XIX century Eurasian Empire concept with aggressive rhetoric and even more aggressive actions. Their dictator tries to restore "Great Empire" taking back one or another piece of territory of their neighbors by power, and - what is much more pity -  absolutely bigger part of their population support him in this. In Soviet Union times everyone hated the regime - doesn't matter if it was people of occupied countries, or Russians themselves. Now they support regime because Putin promised them "to make Russia Great again"  OuchConfused


Amber is kind of national totem here, like kangaroos in Australia or kiwis in New Zealand. For sure you can find jewelry and souvenirs with it everywhere, but it's hardly an industry. Main country's income comes from FinTech and IT services for banking industry (European IT services centers for UK's Barclays, Western Union, Swedish Swedbank,SEB are all based here in Vilnius). We produce lot of IT soft ware for world leading IT companies, as IBM. Then - most modern laser technologies (selling to Japan mostly) and biotech (new technologies and products for US). From more traditional fields -   foodstuff industry, machinery production, partially agriculture. and tourism,transport and logistics. We have one of the fastest internet in the world covering 98% of territory (only optical) and 4G mobile operators covering 95% of country's territory, so generally we are quite modern nowadays. I lived for years around Europe (incl. UK, Netherlands,Austria,etc) and in some fields we are surprisingly ahead of many highly-developed lands. You still can find lot of Russian occupation scars almost everywhere, mostly in a form of ugly faceless Soviet-type buildings (for sure you saw lot of them in Russia and Belorus, they were absolutely same everywhere) and even more deep scars in some people mentality.


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^ Thanks for the Lithuana 101 educational course! A country i know too little about other than reading the Lonely Planet travel guide :) So instead of kiwis we can called amberites or something? LOL

I saw plenty of souless architecture in all of Eastern Europe. I call them commy-plexes. Even beautiful unscarred from WW2 cities like Krawkow and Praha had plenty of them surrounding the centers. Yeah, your history leaves little room for Russian appreciation day for sure. I'm sure you can relate to Native Americans and Black slaves in many ways, but despite it all, here you are with your native language in tact and a country on the map!

My biggest understanding of the horrors of European past was when i visited Auschwitz near Oświęcim in Poland. Before that i was unaware of the sheer scale of the monstrosities that the continent endured from the Nazis. That map with all the train routes percolating even into the furthest of the Greek Isles was terrifying. Ahh, humanity never learns. Thanks the heavens for music, huh? Hug
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Vilnius looks like this nowadays

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Old Castle on the island of a lake in Trakai in former
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Seaport of Klaipeda

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and - we are a little bit Rastafarian, just look at our flag LOL 

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Returning back to the thread's main theme:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-184ab22d218e_story.html



I spoke on phone yesterday night with our friends from US East Coast, they believe that the party and the team will assure that America's course wouldn't be drastically changed.  We will see....



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^ Nice pics AND flag. The castle on the island is on my list when i get there.

So Trump could very well be convicted of fraud before he even takes office. I believe (as do others) that he was just a lure to get Pence into office. There is also bantering that our archaic electoral college could switch to Clinton in December for their final vote.

Personally i've dug deep into power structures and really don't think it matters in the big picture who wins. I personally think Trump winning has gotten some of our complacent, head-in-the-clouds populace off their asses and finally getting involved in the real world around them
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Nov 2016 at 9:42am
^ We don't know what Trump's winning means yet,  but so far most signs still point towards not good. I try to remain positive in any situation, but considering the things that he said that made him popular, it says some very bad things about my country (US).

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Check out this article. It's pretty right on IMHO


Donald Trump Will Be President. This Is What We Do Next.
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A lot of good stuff there, best of all, get involved.
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rticle is pretty good about where we're headed if we don't. The financial cabal knows it's running out of time for their planned goal of world domination and is making a move for it. Prepare to hold on to your hats. It's going to be a bumpy ride

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