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    Posted: 18 May 2012 at 10:57pm
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Which album do you prefer between these two? BB deservedly has more of a landmark status of course - but I think that something about WR's narrows and tightens the focus of what BB began. And so I'm voting Weather Report, partially due to its relatively more chilled approach.
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Weather Report, easy.
 
BB has yet to appeal to me...and I can't imagine it will anytime soon.
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There wouldn' have been a WR without BB
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Neck and neck, excellent

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Weather Report, easy.
 
BB has yet to appeal to me...and I can't imagine it will anytime soon.


Yeah? What is it about BB that doesn't sell it for you? Interested to hear what you think.  Sometimes I wonder if Miles and Teo had stripped about a third of the band back for the album, what it would sound like.

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There wouldn' have been a WR without BB


Very true indeed. WR owe a lot to Miles on that one - even with the obvious connection between albums
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Bitches, although it still is sinking in.

WR's debut is essential listening though, for all Brew fans.
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Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Weather Report, easy.
 
BB has yet to appeal to me...and I can't imagine it will anytime soon.


Same, for whatever reason I haven't dug BB
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Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:


Neck and neck, excellent

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Weather Report, easy.
 
BB has yet to appeal to me...and I can't imagine it will anytime soon.


Yeah? What is it about BB that doesn't sell it for you? Interested to hear what you think.  Sometimes I wonder if Miles and Teo had stripped about a third of the band back for the album, what it would sound like.

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

There wouldn' have been a WR without BB


Very true indeed. WR owe a lot to Miles on that one - even with the obvious connection between albums
 
I find it boring and directionless. Stuff is happening yet nothing seems to be. No excitement to my ears. And it goes on and on and on. 
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^ That's partly why I like 'John McLaughlin' so much, it's a real concise moment in comparison to the rest of the album, which certainly meanders.

But I also love how long the two pieces on first LP are, they almost wear you down with all that menace and reverb. And the rest of the album, that business is definitely hit and miss in some pieces.
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^the big two pieces are just massive, a must-listen for loud, high quality speakers. Exhausting experience.
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Yes, exhasusting, but worth it. I most often hear it in headphones (not a bad pair) but when I really want to listen I use my proper stereo, got it rehoused with a more resonant quality of wood and it makes quite a difference - especially vs the old chipboard and thin veneer it used to be in.
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WR. For Alphonse Mouzon.Big smile
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It took me a few years to appreciate Bitches Brew, meanwhile I was getting into so many other Miles Davis albums, both fusion and pre-fusion albums, including Big Fun, BB's sister album.

Since a couple year ago at most, Ive loved Bitches Brew every time I throw it on.

Weather Report is a great album too, but wouldn't exist without Bitches Brew. I do like that some compositions are on Miles' 70s albums, and yes, they're tighter, but man, the atmosphere on BB is so much.... cooler.

Bitches Brew.
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Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

^ That's partly why I like 'John McLaughlin' so much, it's a real concise moment in comparison to the rest of the album, which certainly meanders.

But I also love how long the two pieces on first LP are, they almost wear you down with all that menace and reverb. And the rest of the album, that business is definitely hit and miss in some pieces.
 
Yeah...it's probably in my top three just for the fact that it's short. But I still dont find it all that thrilling.
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Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

WR. For Alphonse Mouzon.Big smile


And he's great on some of the Tyner and HH albums, too, huh?

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

It took me a few years to appreciate Bitches Brew, meanwhile I was getting into so many other Miles Davis albums, both fusion and pre-fusion albums, including Big Fun, BB's sister album.

Since a couple year ago at most, Ive loved Bitches Brew every time I throw it on.

Weather Report is a great album too, but wouldn't exist without Bitches Brew. I do like that some compositions are on Miles' 70s albums, and yes, they're tighter, but man, the atmosphere on BB is so much.... cooler.

Bitches Brew.


Yes, a much 'cooler' atmosphere, I think it's one of the main selling points of the album for me, I like that description

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Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

^ That's partly why I like 'John McLaughlin' so much, it's a real concise moment in comparison to the rest of the album, which certainly meanders.

But I also love how long the two pieces on first LP are, they almost wear you down with all that menace and reverb. And the rest of the album, that business is definitely hit and miss in some pieces.
 
Yeah...it's probably in my top three just for the fact that it's short. But I still dont find it all that thrilling.


To switch focus a little, how about In a Silent Way?

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Has anybody ever figured out what that "thing" was on WR's debut album's cover??
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Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

WR. For Alphonse Mouzon.Big smile


And he's great on some of the Tyner and HH albums, too, huh?

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To switch focus a little, how about In a Silent Way?

 
Not to mention Alphonse works with Larry Coryell and in Eleventh House
 
Not a fan of his Funky snakeboots solo album, though... Any other recs??
 
 
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love IASW as well, of course
 
 
 


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Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

WR. For Alphonse Mouzon.Big smile


And he's great on some of the Tyner and HH albums, too, huh?

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

It took me a few years to appreciate Bitches Brew, meanwhile I was getting into so many other Miles Davis albums, both fusion and pre-fusion albums, including Big Fun, BB's sister album.

Since a couple year ago at most, Ive loved Bitches Brew every time I throw it on.

Weather Report is a great album too, but wouldn't exist without Bitches Brew. I do like that some compositions are on Miles' 70s albums, and yes, they're tighter, but man, the atmosphere on BB is so much.... cooler.

Bitches Brew.


Yes, a much 'cooler' atmosphere, I think it's one of the main selling points of the album for me, I like that description

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

^ That's partly why I like 'John McLaughlin' so much, it's a real concise moment in comparison to the rest of the album, which certainly meanders.

But I also love how long the two pieces on first LP are, they almost wear you down with all that menace and reverb. And the rest of the album, that business is definitely hit and miss in some pieces.
 
Yeah...it's probably in my top three just for the fact that it's short. But I still dont find it all that thrilling.


To switch focus a little, how about In a Silent Way?

 
In A Silent Way I like. Very good jazz album. Excellent atmosphere, and lovely keyboard 'overload'. I'm not a huge fan of IASW the track (the middle bit is nice though) but then I still dont care for it on Joe's album either.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Has anybody ever figured out what that "thing" was on WR's debut album's cover??


Are they sails maybe?

I love the artwork, it's powerful but subtle, has great movement to it
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Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

WR. For Alphonse Mouzon.Big smile


And he's great on some of the Tyner and HH albums, too, huh?

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

It took me a few years to appreciate Bitches Brew, meanwhile I was getting into so many other Miles Davis albums, both fusion and pre-fusion albums, including Big Fun, BB's sister album.

Since a couple year ago at most, Ive loved Bitches Brew every time I throw it on.

Weather Report is a great album too, but wouldn't exist without Bitches Brew. I do like that some compositions are on Miles' 70s albums, and yes, they're tighter, but man, the atmosphere on BB is so much.... cooler.

Bitches Brew.


Yes, a much 'cooler' atmosphere, I think it's one of the main selling points of the album for me, I like that description

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

^ That's partly why I like 'John McLaughlin' so much, it's a real concise moment in comparison to the rest of the album, which certainly meanders.

But I also love how long the two pieces on first LP are, they almost wear you down with all that menace and reverb. And the rest of the album, that business is definitely hit and miss in some pieces.
 
Yeah...it's probably in my top three just for the fact that it's short. But I still dont find it all that thrilling.


To switch focus a little, how about In a Silent Way?

 
In A Silent Way I like. Very good jazz album. Excellent atmosphere, and lovely keyboard 'overload'. I'm not a huge fan of IASW the track (the middle bit is nice though) but then I still dont care for it on Joe's album either.


Yes, it's always great to hear different versions, but I think I prefer it with Miles too. That album has a killer 'build and release theme' executed so well. My introduction to John's guitar I think, so I have additional fond memories of hearing the album for the first time
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Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Has anybody ever figured out what that "thing" was on WR's debut album's cover??


Are they sails maybe?

I love the artwork, it's powerful but subtle, has great movement to it
 
That was my first thought (either that or Tibetan-type of flags) in the 90's, when I had the Columbia jzaa masterpiece edition... But if you save the artwork and enlarge it, it looks like mechanocal pieces ( pomp rotor or something of the kind)
 
yes, I like it, but probably even, more if I knew what it wasLOL
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