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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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Haha true enough! I don't have an extensive knowledge of this sort of thing but the first two or three seem pretty harmonically conventional to me. Aside from the unison harmonies and general strangeness of the tone, I would say it's adventurous hard bop..
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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That sounds about right, I'm going to try and get those fixed soon.
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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Their unison lines remind me of Parker and Gillespie, I'm sure Ornette and Cherry knew that. This version of "Koko" by Bird and Diz is almost more out than early Ornette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rMiD8UUcd0
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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I think its Ornette's solos that seemed so weird to people, all those swoops, they're almost humorous. Still sounds great too.
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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Very true it's very bebop-esque. Don Cherry's solos are also really strange, he's all over the place
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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The first one is weird, its the only one with a piano player, and he's a fairly straight ahead hard bop player.
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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Yeah I inagine it's that classic first album deal where the label wants you to be at least a little conservative
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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Their second album definitely starts sounding a little more like Ornette. Looking forward to checking out the third one tomorrow when Charlie Haden joins the group.
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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I honestly really like his quintet. I love all his work but the first album has a special place in my heart. Specifically the tracks Blessing and Sphinx. Just some really great jazz.
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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the first six or seven are all impeccable. It's a really respectable series of albums.
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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I'm listening to the first one again, this one is unique. I like that neo be bop sound on this one.
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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Just re-read your criteria for hard bop again and it seems like Something Else!!! at least should be tagged as hard bop. It's very bluesy. The album still sounds really fresh to my ears though. It must have seemed totally alien in '58 haha. What are your thoughts? Is it avant-garde enough?
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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Last night I listened to the first one again and changed the tag to Hard Bop. The next three are tagged Post Bop.
I left "This is Our Music" as AG, the album opens with a hard bop number, but then they get outside after that, and more or less stay there, although the self recorded cassette I have seems to be missing a few tracks towards the end.
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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I agree with your rulings!
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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Thanks
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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I'm sure it's much easier for me to come up with genre bordering albums than it is for you to take time out of your day to listen and assess haha. But what about Sam Rivers' Contours? To me that seems like a good candidate for post bop
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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The front page of the site just crashed, gotta notify the owner.
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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No problem, I'll check it out, we want to have correct genre tags. I'm in this for the long haul.
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liontime ![]() JMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2016 Location: Albuquerque Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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What's the best way for jazz fans who like the site to help you guys out? Writing reviews? Posting in the forums?
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34405 |
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Writing reviews helps, posting in the forums helps too. If you have any friends that like jazz, tell them about the site.
RE Sam Rivers album, just listened to samples on allmusic and amazon and it seems Post Bop would be a good fit. Allmusic describes the album as being in between post bop and AG.
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