Miles, and others - Jazz Fusion
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Topic: Miles, and others - Jazz Fusion
Posted By: The Hepcat
Subject: Miles, and others - Jazz Fusion
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 11:28pm
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I have Bitches Brew, and it's not bad but I honestly am not a huge fan of it. However, I have heard that he has some other fusion albums that are really great as well. So please recommend  Related note: Any jazz fusion welcome! ------------- My fav jazz artist is Charlie. He hangs out in the park with his sax and is a character out of the 1940's. He's not great, but is improving each day and damn he has heart. That's what its all about! |
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 11:32pm
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If you want some fusion that is a little more straight ahead and less experimental than Brew, try Miles' 'We want Miles', excellent guitar solos from Mike Stern on that one. I also like the psychedelic space funk of Agharta by Miles. That one features the incredible Pete Cosey on guitar. I think there are reviews up for both albums.
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Posted By: The Hepcat
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 11:57pm
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I don't mind experimental at all, my only beef with Brew was it didn't feel too jazzy, but also not very rock-y. Almost like in bridging the gap it doesn't feel like either one. Just my screwy opinion  Thanks for the recs! Any other jazz fusion is welcomed. I of course like Al di Meola and have an album by Mahavishnu Orchestra which I love. ------------- My fav jazz artist is Charlie. He hangs out in the park with his sax and is a character out of the 1940's. He's not great, but is improving each day and damn he has heart. That's what its all about! |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 12:29am
| Probably one of the best representatives of fusion would be Weather Report with Alphonso Johnson on bass, the "Mysterious Traveler" album for example. |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 12:31am
"We want Miles' has some very rockin moments. From what I understand, Miles told guitarist Mike Stern to play like Van Halen.
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The Hepcat wrote:Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 1:22am
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I did not know it. Anyway, I think that "Star People" is a good album. |
I memorized saying that Miles Davis would want the guitar player like Jimi Hendrix. Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 1:27am
Well I don't think I've seen/read you around either here or in ProgArcives, so welcome
 Well isn't that exactly what jazz-rock is all about
 ?? A non-obvious bridge between the two music genres .Hopefully BB will one day sink in, because it's one of those cornerstone albums... but you might want to try the previous in A Silent Way of the next one Tribute To Jack Johnson ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 1:48am
Indeed a good suggestion, but Weather report's discography can be divided along their bass players
First the Miroslazv Vitous years (fromthe debut until Sweetnighter) from 71 until 73 >>> very much like Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi period, but both are a direct product of Miles BB album >> this is definitely my fave era of theirs
Then there is the Alphonso Johnson years: 74-75 with Mysterious Traveller and Tale spinnin >> I find this period more straightforward: the group settlles in a groove and solo away >> I generalize of course, but that's the general picture
Then youhave the Jazco Pastorius years: 76 until roughly 1981 or 82 (noy sure >> generally the most commercial and popular era with Black Market and Heavy Weather as best sellers >> definitely not my fave era, partly because if Pastorius is a good bassist, he's also an insufferable show off and overdoes almost systematically everything he did in that band. Musically the band is also all over the map and is quite unfocused: from standard jazz (like Birdland), to ethnic/world fusion... I find the albums of that era generally a mixed-bag or soup. It doesn't help that Zawinul's choice of synth are often disputable (Mr Gone is riddled with iffy synth sounds, and Wayne Shoreter is almost absent to save it from sinking.
Finally, the Victor Bailey years >>> but that was the 80's.... and doesn't that say it all???
------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 2:00am
| I also like initial WR. The directionality of the band might changed because Joe Zawinul started including the element of Funk in WR. Therefore, it is partial where Miroslazv Vitous did not have the element of Funk. Secession or the dismissal or the truth is not understood. However, it might have been connected with "Mysterious Traveller" as a result. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 2:35am
Bitches Brew clicked for me a few months or so ago, and I got the album back in 2006  Try Jaco's self-titled solo album; a classic in the fusion genre and one of my favorites ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 12:46pm
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Briantrane have you listened to any of Herbie Hancock's fusion?
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 3:33pm
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In a Silent Way and Filles De Kilimanjaro might show you the jazzier side of Bitches Brew rawness.
If you want pure rock from Miles, get A Tribute to Jack Johnson, 'Right Off' is 25 minutes of rock jazz (not fusion) powder.
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Posted By: The Hepcat
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 6:29pm
That yellow text hurts on this white background  Oh trust me, you have seen me on Prog Archives....I have over 26,000 posts and have been hanging there for 5 years now I don't know, just a weird feeling I have about it.
Thank you everyone! ------------- My fav jazz artist is Charlie. He hangs out in the park with his sax and is a character out of the 1940's. He's not great, but is improving each day and damn he has heart. That's what its all about! |
?? A non-obvious bridge between the two music genres
.Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 6:48pm
What's your username, then??
the only brian i remember there is Garion81... sorry, if I should remember you!
 ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
How about orange??Posted By: The Hepcat
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 6:52pm
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There's a hepcat on PA? Damn it!! Like always....nothing is ever ever original  Well with one post at least I know I did think of it and it wasn't lurking sub consciously. I was gunna say check the newbie section...but I am JJ Lehto. I also have quite a bit of jazz to try out! Thanks again everyone. ------------- My fav jazz artist is Charlie. He hangs out in the park with his sax and is a character out of the 1940's. He's not great, but is improving each day and damn he has heart. That's what its all about! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 7:19pm
Now JJ , I know    ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: The Hepcat
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 7:55pm
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ha! Thanks again y'all, I will report back in once I've digested all this. ------------- My fav jazz artist is Charlie. He hangs out in the park with his sax and is a character out of the 1940's. He's not great, but is improving each day and damn he has heart. That's what its all about! |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2011 at 9:30pm
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Hepcat, I'd like to suggest giving a listen to Larry Coryell & The Eleventh House. Larry Coryell, great guitarist, Randy Brecker, excellent trumpet & Alphonse Mouzon, a very underrated drummer. Their first album is very good "Introducing the Eleventh House with Larry Coryell". |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2011 at 1:30pm
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oh hey JJ. Still gotta go to VV soon. Lots of music coming out in June I'm looking to pick up
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2011 at 9:49pm
| To be a fan of the entirety of Bitches Brew, One probably does need a taste for the Avant Garde, Spanish Key and Miles Runs the Voodoo Down, are more straight ahead, especially with the funk overtones, But the title track, and to a lesser extent Pharaoh's Dance, require some serious patience to reveal themselves. The complete sessions also have the same mix of styles. If a rockier or funkier thing is what you want, Jack Johnson and The Cellar Door Sessions would be a good bet, Dark Magus is a mind blowing assault of Hard Funk That will pound you into submission, The Japanese Vinyl issue of Dark Magus is one of my personal treasures, It still fires me up hearing it. For me In a Silent Way is Probably the best place to start, hardly any dissonance at all, Just a pleasant atmospheric record, with just enough of a groove to satisfy. a great Meditation music. |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2011 at 10:06pm
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2011 at 9:48am
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Hey! I'd like to 2nd In a Silent Way' a more temperate album, but vital in Mile's development. More jazz than fusion, but fascinating nonetheless. Mantra-like. Stomu's Go, you might like, though coming from PA, I'm guessin' you've heard of him? And as a MV Orcestra fan, you'd probably already heard the Santana/MHVO duet Love Devotion and Surrender? ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2011 at 9:49am
Yeah, I'm with ya there, very important contribution ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2011 at 9:24pm
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woops wrong section. ANyway I recommend A Tribute To Jack Johnson ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2011 at 9:41pm
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Brew takes awhile to get into....its not the easiest listen of Miles stuff........try Nefertiti, to me its more straight up Miles with Herbie Hancock on piano and Wayne Shorter on sax. I enjoy side 2 more than 1, Nefertiti the track is a bit experimental and I think would have fit nicely on Bitches Brew. ------------- My jazz collection....a work in progress. |
Posted By: Frederic_Alderon
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 3:18pm
| Garry Barton and the Flock are also quite nice |
Posted By: Stopbyforjazz
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 6:38pm
| Any fans of-Vocal Conspiracy very nice fusion group,also-Pharoh Sanders-Elevation is cool also. |