anyone remembers Brass Rock???
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Topic: anyone remembers Brass Rock???
Posted By: Sean Trane
Subject: anyone remembers Brass Rock???
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 3:34am
Indeed that was the first name genre for bands like Chicago, The Flock, Electric Flag (don't remember seeing EF on the database, though ), BS&T, If and a few more
Among the UK bands (already mentionned If), Brainchild, Warm Dust, Gailliard and the first two Skin alley albums can be considered as brass rock as well.
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as an aside:
Should the name brass rock be mentionned in the genres???
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 3:46am
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The part of the wind instrument is exactly as a characteristic of Brass Rock, and the element might be and there be a strong impression. Chicago, BS&T, and Chase are in Pop Jazz now. And, TOP is in Funk. Entering there if the subgenre of JMA has been established as a result might be appropriate. When it thinks from the element as the overall music. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 10:01pm
| love BS&T |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 7:59am
| Over summer somebody suggested I checked out the remastered Rock Workshop CDs (released by Angel Air, noting the original vinyl recordings were issued in the early 70's). Ray Russell's band (fairly well known as a jazz fusion nowaday both as soloist and gueesting with others, e.g. SImon Phillips Force Majeure) with the great late Alex Harvey (subsequently of SAHB?) providing voice. Personally I would put this band ahead the UK compettive brass rock of time, i.e. Satisfaction (reissued on Eclectic Records) and the patchy Heaven's Brass Rock 1. However, If is head and shoulders above these three IMHO. BTW anybody identify a specific Keef Hartley recording that show genuine brass rock creditials? |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 8:15am
It was i who suggested RW's reissues
When it comes to British brass-rock, I tend to prefer Warm Dust... (they're on PA)
I investigated in the early 90's the KHB, but I could't possibly tell you anymore which album is best
They're all pretty brass-y, but mlore in the blues domain than in the jkazz domain, IMHO. ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....  |
Dick Heath wrote:Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 11:16am
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I picked up, I think ,the second Warm Dust album recently , but it didn't appeal.
Last week on the radio show I played something off Savoy Brown's Burnt Sienna, i.e. Needle and Spoon which is blue based brass rock. So possibly taking the lead from Mayall, e.g. on Bare Wires I think a number of British blues bands of the period tried augmenting with brass/woodwind so perhaps not surprising ex Mayalll drummer, Keef Hartley going that way.
I must dig out the track listing of two brass rock CD compilations I made several years ago, after requesting on the web, bands I couldn't name at the time - as a reminder, Tower Of Power was most strongly recommended by a number of folks, followed by Cold Blood. I bow to the experts wrt ToP, but feel this type of music categorisation, branches out and impinges on brass funk. Then perhaps because of the Chicago blues and R'nB/soul fusion of Electric Flag (not surprising with Buddy Miles and Nick Gravenites providing the vocals), then Flag is more brass funk than brass rock? SImilarly the more recent brass lead music of Defunkt, is brass funk IMHO. However, brass funk as a an added descriptor to the jazz funk of Danish band Monsieur DuBois (even with Defunkt's Lester Bowie guesting on trombone/vocals) may be stretching it....(size of the band???)?
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 12:00pm
That's Raw Sienna (and easily Savoy Brown's best album imho).... Probably my preferred second wave British Blues Boom band along with TYA and Chicken Shack As for WD's Peace for Our Time, it's probably the more difficult, because it's a concept album with small monologues ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: seyo
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 8:18am
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In Yugoslavia at that period, late 60s, there existed two bands influenced by BST and Chicago. MLADI LEVI (The Young Lions) from Ljubljana and MI (We) from Sibenik/Zagreb. They were both popular and very good live acts but unfortunately none of them ever recorded an album, just few singles and EPs. Both bands however released some CD compilations after the 90s. |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2011 at 5:44pm
| I have a few vinyl copies of Lighthouse and IF, I think they would surely qualify as Brass Rock, IF is the better of the two in my opinion, In fact, IF's first 4 album measure up quite well with Chicago's first 3 or 4. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 2:28pm
 ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2012 at 3:43pm
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Blood Sweat And Tears for me. Not mad on Chicago but then again I have only heard mainly the radio singles and they are okiay but I never bought any. I do have one Chicago album and if anyone knows Chicago they will probaly roll their eyes and have a cackle.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 8:32am
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Found a live recording of Electric Flag, Groovin' Is Easy - I guess it is a bootleg recording made circa 1968, now legitimised. For instance Buddy Miles sings (and of course drums) on Killing Floor (note: Nick Gravenites did the vocals on the studio recording), making the tune less blues and more soul. More importantly there are more instrumental breaks/solos, and from brass/wind instrumentals I get a clearer understanding why Electric Flag was called one of the first brass rock bands - but Bloomfield still does some good Chicago style blues guitar work.
I forget if I've mentioned it here, but a better bootleg legitmised is Chicago's 1968 album, I believe recorded when they were the resident/house band in one of the LA music clubs (Troubadour?) , and essentially honing tunes that were to recorded some months later and heard on CTA and Chicago.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 10:14am
yup, they (EL) were truly the pioneers, and they'd become kind of irrelevant by the time BS&T and Chicago appeared on the scene
Apparently another pioneering band would be the San Fran based (in the flower power and summer of love)era) Sons of Champlin... they had a three-man horn section (two sax and a trumpet >> one of them also played vibraphone)... OK, unlike Electric flag, they kept on for most of the 70's. ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 7:25am
Once they decided to fuse Chicago blues with Atlantic-Stax soul, I think there was an easy "small step evolution" to also take the sound/feel of Atlantic-Stax's Bar-Keys or Mussel Shoal's brass. It is clear their writing and playing, Bloomfield and Gravenites (out of Paul Butterfield's Blues Band) were both in blues and soul ( and of course rock), and I think across the four EF albums in my collection, the balance seems in favour of soul music.
As vague (?) modern-day parallel, it is worth watching the DVD of Chicago and Earth Fire Wind's Live At The Greek, when for example 25 or 6 to 4 gets some soul treatment.
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