JazzMusicArchives.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home >Jazz Music Lounges >Jazz Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Charlie Parker!
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Charlie Parker!

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
Chicapah View Drop Down
JMA Special Collaborator
JMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 20 Jan 2011
Location: Forney, Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 56
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chicapah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Charlie Parker!
    Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 10:29am
Gotta agree about "Unforgiven."  One of those movies that I can come across halfway through and I end up watching it to the incredible ending even though I've seen it dozens of times.  Best western ever...
Make a joyful noise unto the Lord...
Back to Top
js View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Site admin

Joined: 22 Dec 2010
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 34280
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 4:11pm
The main reason I remember "Branded" was because of that opening scene shown every week without fail, ha.
Yes, there was Rin Tin Tin and Lassie, dogs were all the rage back then.
Back to Top
Matt View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 16 Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Yeah, I remember "Rawhide" , that goes way back, there was another similar show I barely recall called "Branded".
Yeah, we watched that. Remember the start where they rip all his stuff of his uniform and break his sword ClapClapClapClapClap We even watched Rin Tin Tin as well Big smile
Matt
Back to Top
js View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Site admin

Joined: 22 Dec 2010
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 34280
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 4:02pm
Yeah, I remember "Rawhide" , that goes way back, there was another similar show I barely recall called "Branded".
Back to Top
Matt View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 16 Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by Matt Matt wrote:

Originally posted by js js wrote:

Early in his career it was hard to tell if he was into acting.
I used to watch "Wagon Train"..........."Head em' up and move em' out"Cool. "Yee hah"   What about 'Where Eagles Dare" John.Tongue seriously though he made the best western ever being "The Unforgiven"
Correction make that "Rawhide" and not "Wagon Train"Confused I could have been a brain surgeon or a nuclear physicist
Matt
Back to Top
Matt View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 16 Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 3:26pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Yeah, I like all the old spaghetti westerns he did.
Hey John it was "Rawhide" he was in not "Wagon Train" Confused Got me wires crossed, realised when I saw the post go up. My excuse is I just got out of bed LOL You can tell what shows I watched as a kid
Matt
Back to Top
js View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Site admin

Joined: 22 Dec 2010
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 34280
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 3:19pm
Yeah, I like all the old spaghetti westerns he did.
Back to Top
Matt View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 16 Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Early in his career it was hard to tell if he was into acting.
I used to watch "Wagon Train"..........."Head em' up and move em' out"Cool. "Yee hah"   What about 'Where Eagles Dare" John.Tongue seriously though he made the best western ever being "The Unforgiven"
Matt
Back to Top
Matt View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 16 Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 3:10pm
I like it but I am biased with Clint. Thought Forest Whittaker played Bird great. I liked it dark. its not like Bird had the happiest of times and Whittaker brought an almost nervous fragile underlay with the character. One of his other early directing movies is a classic as well and one of my favourites and that is "Bronco Billy".
Matt
Back to Top
Chicapah View Drop Down
JMA Special Collaborator
JMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 20 Jan 2011
Location: Forney, Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 56
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chicapah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 1:34pm
I agree that, being one of Eastwood's earliest attempts at directing, the story moves slowly and the whole thing is quite dark but I admire how he avoided glamorizing Bird or ignoring his addictive personality that so hampered his art.  I'm sure if Clint had it to do over he'd take some pointers from the fabulous "Ray" biopic and brighten the mood a bit.  Still, I'd enthusiastically recommend it to anybody who is curious about why Parker is so revered.  Now, if only someone would dare to take on Miles!  Star
Make a joyful noise unto the Lord...
Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Location: Brussels
Status: Offline
Points: 789
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 2:55am
Originally posted by Matt Matt wrote:

Awesome movie..........directed by Clint Eastwood, Forest Whitaker is Bird. I nearly watched it myself ( again) just the other night. I really don't believe anyone else could have done as good a job as Clint Eastwood being into Jazz the way he is. The film was released in 1988........23 years ago Pinch........can't believe its that long back.
 
Saw it back when it was released in the theater, mainly to see if I could get into Bird's music back then (this is about 20 years ago)... Back then , Eastwood was not yet known as a movie director, and personally I don't think this is one of his better one.... but it's also tricky to do a biography rather than a fiction... the risk to be a little bored is much higher...
 
Actually the only thing I really remembered was when Bird "steals" the saxophone and plays in the back alley to see check if it didn't have a defect and couldn't play more than one note at a time.... that had me laughing...
 
 
 
 
 
I rented it again about three or four months ago, when the site opened and to be honest, my opinion hasn't changed all that much, both about the movie and Parker's music...
 
In terms of jazz movies, I much prefer Tavernier's Round About Midnight
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

Back to Top
js View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Site admin

Joined: 22 Dec 2010
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 34280
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 8:19pm
Early in his career it was hard to tell if he was into acting.
Back to Top
Dylbean View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: 30 May 2011
Location: Mass.
Status: Offline
Points: 14
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dylbean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 8:16pm
I'll try to check it out. I didn't realize Clint Eastwood was into jazz either. Shows what I know. Tongue
There is no god, but music is pretty cool.
Back to Top
Matt View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 16 Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 4:31pm
Awesome movie..........directed by Clint Eastwood, Forest Whitaker is Bird. I nearly watched it myself ( again) just the other night. I really don't believe anyone else could have done as good a job as Clint Eastwood being into Jazz the way he is. The film was released in 1988........23 years ago Pinch........can't believe its that long back.
Matt
Back to Top
Dylbean View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: 30 May 2011
Location: Mass.
Status: Offline
Points: 14
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dylbean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 3:21pm
Lots of people keep mentioning that movie, Bird. I've never heard of it till now. So you guys suggest checking it out?
There is no god, but music is pretty cool.
Back to Top
Chicapah View Drop Down
JMA Special Collaborator
JMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 20 Jan 2011
Location: Forney, Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 56
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chicapah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 9:25am
Interesting that you guys are talking about CP.  I'm in the process of re-watching Clint Eastwood's somber "Bird" over several nights (haven't seen it in ages) and it really points out what a troubled man he was who, despite his addictions and bad habits, made some incredible music that will live forever.
Make a joyful noise unto the Lord...
Back to Top
js View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Site admin

Joined: 22 Dec 2010
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 34280
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 5:04pm
I've never heard of Rubber Legs, but I already like him.
Back to Top
Matt View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Jazz Reviewer

Joined: 16 Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2527
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

^ I'm not crazy about the collections that only have his solos instead of the whole song, but get this, I just came back from a record store that had a couple of those "Charlie Parker on Dial" collections. I bought "Volume 6" which has a very young Miles on trumpet playing the be-bop. Cool
Sounds very similar to the one I have been playing John Wink You know there is only actually four tracks with Parker on that one. 11 listed but all the others are alts or false starts. Still good though. Parker sounds great. The other stuff is with a vocalist Rubber Legs Williams. Like to add, no nothing about Rubber Legs. Only ever heard him on that album, never looked though either. Who was Rubber legs Williams? Big smile I will look at him in the near future. With a name like that, maybe he was an absolute boozer LOL
 
I ordered some Parker myself due to this thread and I went for
 
Best of The Complete Savoy & Dial Studio Recordings
 
Would have liked the JSP set because it had the lot of Savoy and Dial but Out of Print and pay for a JSP set what they are asking Shocked They are dreamin" those sellers. Anyway this seems to have all the biggies that I know and a plenty I don't. I always found him so smooth, by that I mean with his changes etc. fluid might be a better term. About a month off though, with who I bought it through, cheap but I reckon they use row boat not airmail
Matt
Back to Top
Dylbean View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: 30 May 2011
Location: Mass.
Status: Offline
Points: 14
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dylbean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 10:52am
I want to put in another word for Jazz at Massey Hall being a killer live album, for sure. The one thing I will say is it gets flak for Mingus redubbing the bass lines in. That's the only version I have though, so I can't really compare, but it does seem to me to be a bit of a bizarre thing to do, but I guess they did things differently back then.
Back to Top
js View Drop Down
Forum Admin Group
Forum Admin Group
Avatar
Site admin

Joined: 22 Dec 2010
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 34280
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 11:52pm
^ I'm not crazy about the collections that only have his solos instead of the whole song, but get this, I just came back from a record store that had a couple of those "Charlie Parker on Dial" collections. I bought "Volume 6" which has a very young Miles on trumpet playing the be-bop. Cool
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 10.16
Copyright ©2001-2013 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.174 seconds.