Pop jazz for the prog rock fan
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Topic: Pop jazz for the prog rock fan
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Subject: Pop jazz for the prog rock fan
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 1:03am
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I tried to look for a progressive tune from the section of pop jazz as much as possible. The tune is not completely progressive. However, I thought that an arrangement and a complex melody were able to enjoy the fan of prog rock. I want to hear the opinion if it feels it if they are interesting. |
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 2:45am
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Outside the track above, I'm not familiar with Bob James...
I always thought that Spyro's latin fusion terribly booooooring and even mildly irritating if pushed slightly above background music volume
sooooooo, it's all left to Chicago's early stuff, really888 But don't look elsewhere beyond the 8th album, though .... Coz it sucks!!!...
------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....  |
Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 3:13am
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I would rather suggest Romantic Warrior by RtF or something by Mahavishnu to a Prog Rock fan, or maybe Spectrum by Cobham. But out of those samples, Chicago.
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 12:47pm
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Interesting question. I voted for Chicago because of their early material but I would encourage the curious prog rocker out there to investigate early Gino Vannell, "Powerful People" and "Storm at Sunup" in particular, because despite his flamboyant posturing his band did a great job of blending jazz with prog, especially during their extended instrumental segments.
------------- Make a joyful noise unto the Lord... |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 4:26pm
| Steely Dan too? |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:17pm
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I actually voted for Bob because of the arrangement, though 'Chicago' overall might be better for the prog fan ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 7:50pm
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It is very significant for me to hear everyone's opinion. Thank you. Anyway, I often listened and was researching pop jazz. Steely Dan that Alex referred might be a good example. For Aja especially Or, I did not put it on the list though I thought about "Seven Days" of Sting. I expected the vote to gather in Chicago a little of course. Postscript Thank you for recommending Gino Vannelli, Rollie
I will check it at once. I felt it very wonderful. |
Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 12:52am
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Bob James has his moments, but at least from what I heard no 'progressive' to be found, thus little interest for the prog fan imo. Don't know this SG, so can't really comment. I'm left to say Chicago. Though they are certainly the most rock (and less pop, at least their early stuff, which is what I'm assuming is being talked about here) so for a prog-rock fan that may be a plus. ------------- Hit it on Five. Saxophone Scatterbrain Blitzberg Stab them in the ears. |
Posted By: criticdrummer94
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 8:28pm
| Chicago. Their first album is Genius |
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 8:38pm
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^Welcome to the site. Yes. I think that the music character of Chicago is almost consolidated in an initial album. I will enumerate 5, (8), and 11 as a personal favorite. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 3:37am
 have you heard Chicago 7??
it's a double album (like their first three), but you'd have a hard time recognizing the first disc as Chicago.... They're pure JR/F on this one, some where betwenn Santana and early Weather Report (and I love it)... The second disc is normal mid-peroid Chicago like 5 or 8 ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
criticdrummer94 wrote:Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:03pm
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I love Bob James, and think that's a very good track and gets my vote. My favourite album of his One, which I think a great progressive JRF album. The Chicago one is my least liked -- never really liked the band in any incarnation. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:10pm
| Thanks, just fixed the tag on that one, I knew there were some really good early Bob James records out there, I just can't remember which ones. He's a great keyboardist, but in the late 70s his name became synonymous with the most commercial jazz. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:14pm
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He played different types of jazz. From avant-garde jazz in the 60s with two albums, to progressive jazz-rock/funk, to smooth jazz/ pop....Check out his '63 and '65 albums if you ever get the chance -- very good. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:33pm
| Those top two cuts are a treasure trove of popular hip-hop samples, couldn't believe how many familiar riffs and melodies there are. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 1:19pm
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I can say the same for a little of the jazz, funk, beat, groove, exotica music I listen to. I've been amazed at finding out how much of what I do listen to has been sampled by hip-hoppers. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 1:43pm
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^ yes, hip-hop artists sample from anything, there is no limit from what Ive heard. Rock, bluegrass. But funk and soul take the cake. Anyway, pop jazz for the prog rock fan.... Have you heard Weather Report - "Heavy Weather"? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 2:19pm
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Chicago here. "Oooooohh now, Baby Please don't go" ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 4:46pm
certainly will, thanks Welcome BTW!! ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 7:22pm
Yep, Heavy Weather should appeal to many of those into jazz pop; whereas, I would say that I Sing the Body Electric and the debut would be more likely to appeal to more adventurous people who enjoy progressive music.
Thanks. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 1:47am
but you wouldn't call it poppy... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 11:17am
I would call Heavy Weather poppy, not I Sing the Body Electric. It was a good album for you to mention here for its pop jazz-rock sensibilities. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 11:38pm
That's what I was saying  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 1:06pm
Then I was agreeing with you. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2011 at 7:53am
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before jazz rock appeared as the main term for jazz fused with rock, a lot of rock with jazz-based solos was labelled in the UK music press as rock-jazz (beit for a short period). Amongst those listed included BST, Chicago, Timebox and even Colosseum. Indeed listen to a major developmental period for rock in 1970, and there was a lot of examples of bands experimenting with allsorts of music before settling on what they became familiar for. For instance Patto's first two album had Ollie Hassall playing jazz solo breaks - especially when playing the vibes; the second (the Irish originals) Skid Row album 34 hours had some jazz guitar solos by Gary Moore and that other Irish spin-off out of Taste, Stud, had a couple of jazz-based instumentals tucked away amongst the straighter rock of their eponymous album. |