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Topic: Alice Coltrane and others
Posted By: Abraxas
Subject: Alice Coltrane and others
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 1:15am
Obvious addition to the site is Alice Coltrane, in Avant-Garde Jazz or Post-Bop? I'm more inclined towards the former, though her work is not really that demanding compared to Albert Ayler, Archie Shepp and the like.
 
Also I'd like to see Big John Patton, soul jazz organist.
 
Booker Ervin on hard bop probably.
 
Freddie Roach, soul jazz organist.
 
Grachan Moncur III for Avant Garde Jazz.
 
Horace Parlan for Post-Bop.
 
Horace Silver for soul jazz or hard bop.
 
Jim Hall, famous jazz guitarist, though not sure where.
 
Lonnie Smith(not Lonnie Liston Smith), soul jazz organist.
 
Red Garland for hard bop.
 
Roy Hargrove for post-bop?
 
Tania Maria for Latin Jazz.
 
Magma for JR Rock. The band's first two albums are deeply rooted in jazz and Attahk is very fusion like.
 
And that's about it, as for now. Wink
 
Since I'm sure many of you already know most of these I haven't posted samples, just ask me for samples for the ones you're not aware.



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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 3:34am
Tania Maria Thumbs Up :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JRn-enkGYU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JRn-enkGYU


RE. Alice Coltrane  I think she better fits to avant-garde, even if part of her music is Indian trad/meditative influenced.

I agree that two first Magma's albums are more jazz rock than zeuhl, but band's addition will bring huge discog of non-jazz albums. And - what is possibly more important - Magma is well-known not by their first two albums, but as zeuhl leading band, what in some sense is opposite to jazz band . May be more jazzy Magma-related artists as Yochk'o Seffer solo or One Shot have more senses to be added?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkY-BtADugM&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkY-BtADugM&feature=related
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x259fz_one-shot-ewaz-vader_music" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x259fz_one-shot-ewaz-vader_music

Still both of them are zeuhl-influenced, but more jazzy, comparing with Magma themselves.And we have Guillaume Perret & Electric Epic there added already, another Magma's bassist Philippe Bussonnet more jazzy band.  

Grachan Moncur III is known free-jazz reeds player, so no brainer there I think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWhrigwG7I&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWhrigwG7I&feature=related



Posted By: js
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 5:32am
Great suggestions Pablo, some of those are already on my to-do list.

Magma will be added eventually, but I'm holding off on some prog-rock bands for now.
Keeping a lid on the number of prog-rock bands in the early days will help keep the front page of the site looking like a jazz site, not a subsidiary of a prog site.
This is an issue I've discussed with Max many times and he is with me on this.
We will add Magma eventually, but lets wait until we have established this site as a jazz site first.



Posted By: js
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 5:42am
Hey Pablo, Dr Lonnie Smith is already here, as well as Lonnie Liston Smith.  Wink


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 8:12am
I'll add One Shot, but lets wait on Yochkio. Both bands have a numbing repitition to them that would have a lot of jazz fans banging their head against the wall.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 11:44am
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Great suggestions Pablo, some of those are already on my to-do list.

Magma will be added eventually, but I'm holding off on some prog-rock bands for now.
Keeping a lid on the number of prog-rock bands in the early days will help keep the front page of the site looking like a jazz site, not a subsidiary of a prog site.
This is an issue I've discussed with Max many times and he is with me on this.
We will add Magma eventually, but lets wait until we have established this site as a jazz site first.

 
Yes, I completely agree with your decision concerning addition of Prog bands. That's why I felt kind of embarassed by suggsting most of them (Canterbury), so thought I would dig my jazz list and suggest the ones from here.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 12:48pm
nice little list of suggestions. i was going to do something similar.

the only Alice Coltrane i have is Journey in Satchidananda. It is more meditative, but deeper listening shows that it is avant-garde, to my ears. I know that one album she did with Carlos Santana, and that one isnt so wild from what I remember, but it was quite reflective.


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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 12:50pm
^check Ptah the El Daoud, that's less mediative and more jazzy in the likes of Pharoah Sanders and Trane. Her piano work is great throughout.


Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 4:08pm
Fabulous suggestions Pablo, We missed all those Ouch Esp. Horace Silver,Parlan, Booker Ervin, Moncur,Patton.Alice Coltrane Know all your suggestions but it is great having fresh eyes here. We all have had our heads in reviews or other tasks pretty much since I arrived and occasionally have looked at specific artists. You will be handy for help and needed Handshake 
 
I have to put my 2 bobs worth in ( Aussie colloquialism) Wink I reckon Horace Silver for Hard Bop. He was the first leader of The Jazz  Messengers before Blakey. Like George Reeves as Superman you get pigeon holed.Smile
 
Better start on Hank Mobley, John
 
A real big one that needs work too is Cranky Franky. If you would like John I could make him my next main project to do with artists after Hank. Practically all the artists or bands need work, additions, bios,classification etc. How many artists now do we have on the site Shocked I only have about 30 years left if I am lucky LOL


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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 5:14pm
Do what you think is best Senor Matt, I bet this place remains a beautiful chaotic mess for ever, after all its run by a bunch of jazz loving incense burning bannanna peel smoking Sarte reading bongo playing lazy anti-authority beatniks.  Cool


Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Do what you think is best Senor Matt, I bet this place remains a beautiful chaotic mess for ever, after all its run by a bunch of jazz loving incense burning bannanna peel smoking Sarte reading bongo playing lazy anti-authority beatniks.  Cool
But aren't they the only type of people John, who play this stuff? Wink

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Matt


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2011 at 11:37pm
i mean, there are soooooo many jazz artists, and we're trying to be the most complete. It's likely a few will be missed. I know a bunch of artists we're still missing (ill get that list by tomorrow, spring break, beeches!)

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http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 8:34am
You're going to the beach?  Smile


Posted By: EntertheLemming
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 8:40am
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Great suggestions Pablo, some of those are already on my to-do list.

Magma will be added eventually, but I'm holding off on some prog-rock bands for now.
Keeping a lid on the number of prog-rock bands in the early days will help keep the front page of the site looking like a jazz site, not a subsidiary of a prog site.
This is an issue I've discussed with Max many times and he is with me on this.
We will add Magma eventually, but lets wait until we have established this site as a jazz site first.



Wise words. Shoe shops sell accessories but there are no accessory shops that sell shoes....(need to switch to decaf I think) Confused


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2011 at 10:50am
Originally posted by js js wrote:

You're going to the beach?  Smile


i wish Unhappy

im off work and school for 8 days so that gives me lots of time for the JMA!


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http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 8:37pm
Another suggestion:

Blue Mitchell for Hard Bop ?


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 9:24pm
Certainly,   ...nice Pharoh Sanders review by the way, I love hippie jazz.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Certainly,   ...nice Pharoh Sanders review by the way, I love hippie jazz.

Approve


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 1:32pm
Ok.. here's another suggestion: trumpeter, Booker Little.


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 1:44pm
Duh,  ..thanks.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 1:59pm
^haha, no prob.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 12:09pm
Another suggestion, The Pharaohs:





It's like the most jazzy/latin stuff of Earth Wind & Fire, yes, this has Maurice White on vocals and drums.

Probably Jazz Related something, but I'll let you decide.



Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 1:56pm
^ I love stuff like that, where's my platform shoes? I'll add them to JR/RnB, I assume they are Americanos.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 5:52pm
^great! Yes they are: 

The Pharaohs, an  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States" rel="nofollow - American   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music" rel="nofollow - soul / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz" rel="nofollow - jazz / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk" rel="nofollow - funk  group, were formed in 1962 out of a student band, The Jazzmen, at Crane Junior College in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago" rel="nofollow - Chicago ,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois" rel="nofollow - Illinois .


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 7:21pm
Yes, they are the missing link between Chicago's avant-garde AACM and the first version of EW&F.
They are similar to early Kool and the Gang with the band being a mix of avant-garde jazz and RnB artists.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 12:10pm
I had thought that 3rd World Electric was already here, they've been added to PA. They're definitely classic fusion, clearly inspired by Weather Report.



Posted By: js
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 12:14pm
Thanks Pablo, I know them, I'll add them later tonight, I'm off to rehearsals today.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Thanks Pablo, I know them, I'll add them later tonight, I'm off to rehearsals today.

Cool You're still playing with the acid jazz band, was it? 

I remember you passed me your MySpace long time ago and it was pretty cool.


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 7:09pm
My acid jazz band is on hold right now. This rehearsal was with a classic funk band, we have some nice paying casino gigs coming up and I really need the money.   Stern Smile


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 7:24pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

My acid jazz band is on hold right now. This rehearsal was with a classic funk band, we have some nice paying casino gigs coming up and I really need the money.   Stern Smile

Oh, funk! That's awesome. Now I know why you know much about it, and of course of jazz in general. Wink


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2011 at 11:44pm
Ok, one more:

JOE MANERI:



To avant-garde, I'm pretty sure.

Heck, his son Mati is here before him! Wink


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2011 at 6:35am
That's really cool music, apparently he used the Schoenberg 12 tone system in jazz, Time period pieces like this are always great to discover. He will be added.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 1:02pm
One more? Hehe.

Ian Gillan Band for, if I understood correctly, Jazz Related Rock. (they're already in PA on fusion)


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 1:19pm
We'll add them someday, but lets wait till the site has less of a rock-related tone to it.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

We'll add them someday, but lets wait till the site has less of a rock-related tone to it.

Thumbs Up Sounds ok to me.

BTW, if you need any specific help tell me and I'll see what I can do. I've been trying to update various discographies.


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 1:40pm
I can't think of anything, you might want to check with Slava, thanks for everything you've already done.
Pablo is awreet  Smoke


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 1:51pm
Biggest work we need should be done just to complete as much artists discogs as possible. Not specific job thoughLOL


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 2:06pm
Ok, how about Brian Simpson for Pop/Xover Jazz:




Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 2:07pm
Speaking of alice (in the thread title), her son Ravi Coltrane is missing from the database


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 2:28pm
Brian Simpson stole all that from Ramsey Lewis, its not too bad though.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Brian Simpson stole all that from Ramsey Lewis, its not too bad though.

LOL I never said he was original. 




 


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 2:31pm
The first cut is Ramsey Lewis, the second is acid jazz lite. I predict we will be hearing a lot more aid jazz lite and trip hop lite in the coming years.
I agree, Brian is good for the pop bin.


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 12:43am
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Speaking of alice (in the thread title), her son Ravi Coltrane is missing from the database


added


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 12:47am
Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

Originally posted by js js wrote:

Brian Simpson stole all that from Ramsey Lewis, its not too bad though.

LOL I never said he was original. 




 


and him is added


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 12:09am
Another one... for Jazz Related Rock, I think, Spinetta Jade from Argentina:




I know, I know, they're more rock headed and that's not really what's been added lately, but these guys are NOT prog. Wink Just a bit of Argentine melodic Fusion.


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 9:47am
I think we can find a home for these guys. The first and third cuts were a semi-commercail fusion, and the second was rock-pop with some fusion touches   ...and a little bit of prog rock  Wink


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 10:03am
I checked out some more of their music, I get the idea the singer is into Sting, and maybe Adrian Belew too.


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 10:39am
added 


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

I checked out some more of their music, I get the idea the singer is into Sting, and maybe Adrian Belew too.

He's one of the most renowned Argentine musicians. He has had various notable groups, rock, hard rock, blues and Spinetta Jade was his jazziest.

BTW, thanks for the add!


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 12:05pm
^ yeah, I was reading about all that.


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2011 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

^ yeah, I was reading about all that.

Thumbs Up I barely listen to music from my country, but he's an exception. 



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