Favorite size of a jazz group
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Topic: Favorite size of a jazz group
Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Subject: Favorite size of a jazz group
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 3:47pm
How many members of a jazz ensemble is your perferred number?
Doesn't matter what instruments make up the group (though if you prefer a certain type of trio/quartet/etc please feel free to say so) nor does it matter what type of jazz music it is.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 4:08pm
I like the big bands: Don Ellis, Duke Ellington, Sun Ra, Fletcher Henderson, Count Basie etc., but not too fond of that square ass stuff like Glen Miller etc.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 4:11pm
Dectet? Right term is Peter Brotzmann Chicago Tentet.
My answer, too.
Joke aside, piano trio, I guess, given Jarrett-Peacock-DeJohnnette or E.S.T.
EDIT: Now that JS mentioned it, big bands would be among my least favourite.
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 4:25pm
Quartet for me but I do have a thing for trio's ..... sax, bass and drum trio's that is.
You get to hear them streeeeeeeeeetch out
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Posted By: Freddie Freeloader
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 4:35pm
I find jazz duos extremely interesting, the personalities of each musitian shows and the relationship between them becomes apparant.
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 5:42pm
Trio! You know why. But I like quartets and quintets too.
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 6:42pm
I go to trio. It might be a little insufficient at the chance of the call and response. However, it can enjoy each musician's capability. Three keeps harmony and balance.
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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 7:44pm
Matt wrote:
You get to hear them streeeeeeeeeetch out
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Yep, trios for me for this reason
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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 2:07am
I think it's a matter of quality and not quantity Koln Concerto is the best example
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 3:17am
While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 7:08pm
Okay, one shade of yellow is hell enough on our eyes. Please don't use 4.
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Posted By: Freddie Freeloader
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 8:09pm
Sean Trane wrote:
While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
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could not dissagree more! a soloist or a duo or a trio can be just as interesting as a larger band. Jazz is a genre that is all about the individual making their own mark and not the band. Why else would jazz radio be the only radio that names off every player on a piece rather than just mentioning the band name. It all has to do with the quality of each of the individuals involved and not on the number.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 1:27am
Freddie Freeloader wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
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could not dissagree more! a soloist or a duo or a trio can be just as interesting as a larger band. Jazz is a genre that is all about the individual making their own mark and not the band. Why else would jazz radio be the only radio that names off every player on a piece rather than just mentioning the band name. It all has to do with the quality of each of the individuals involved and not on the number. |
Some jazz specialist do, when they speak of a band, indeed.
But jazz has been about individualities much more so than rock, and a lot of albums are individualities' collaboration where the names are all spelled-out on the front cover
However the numerous Johnette-Hollannd albums could've had a project/band name
When a radio plays Return To Forever, they don't mention Joe Farrell or Lenny White....
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Posted By: Freddie Freeloader
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 11:37am
Sean Trane wrote:
Freddie Freeloader wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
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could not dissagree more! a soloist or a duo or a trio can be just as interesting as a larger band. Jazz is a genre that is all about the individual making their own mark and not the band. Why else would jazz radio be the only radio that names off every player on a piece rather than just mentioning the band name. It all has to do with the quality of each of the individuals involved and not on the number. |
Some jazz specialist do, when they speak of a band, indeed.
But jazz has been about individualities much more so than rock, and a lot of albums are individualities' collaboration where the names are all spelled-out on the front cover
However the numerous Johnette-Hollannd albums could've had a project/band name
When a radio plays Return To Forever, they don't mention Joe Farrell or Lenny White....
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this is true but the spirit of RTF is far more rock oriented than jazz oriented in my opinion. All the musos are jazz players but the style is verry much rock. Sound very composed to me atleast. (note that I only have one album) Honestly I find most 70s fusion quite boring. not messy enough for me.
To me jazz is not about cohesive units but about the clash of personalities and the individual shining through. One can always recognise Coltrane or Miles or Monk regardless of if their name is on a CD. The same can not always be said of rock players (a lot of prog is an exception to this rule) even if you can identify the band.
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Posted By: Jazz Pianist
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 2:01pm
Sextet for me. The ideal band for me would be piano, drums, bass, guitar, a horn player and a sax player. The texture variety would be absolutely perfect to my ears, not the mention the harmony capabilities and the opportunities for fours between the two lead players.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 4:16pm
Jazz Pianist wrote:
Sextet for me. The ideal band for me would be piano, drums, bass, guitar, a horn player and a sax player. The texture variety would be absolutely perfect to my ears, not the mention the harmony capabilities and the opportunities for fours between the two lead players. |
Exactly!! the first Nucleus line-up is really so awesome let's count Jenkins as mainly a KB man in this case)
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Posted By: Jazz Pianist
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 4:54pm
Sean Trane wrote:
Jazz Pianist wrote:
Sextet for me. The ideal band for me would be piano, drums, bass, guitar, a horn player and a sax player. The texture variety would be absolutely perfect to my ears, not the mention the harmony capabilities and the opportunities for fours between the two lead players. |
Exactly!! the first Nucleus line-up is really so awesome let's count Jenkins as mainly a KB man in this case) |
Haha I didn't think of Nucleus actually.
I actually jammed out There Will Never Be Another You at a club in Birmingham the other day to this lineup and I can safely say it was one of the most energetic jams I've ever had the pleasure of being involved in!
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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 6:10pm
Interesting results thus far.
I do enjoy the larger ensembles myself. Nothing against the trios/quartets but I like alot of sound and alot of different type of sound, which you get in the larger groups.
Just for the hell of it, I voted for Duodecet, but really anything from Septet/Octet upwards in great.
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 9:44am
Trio is fav for me. I often think of Bill Evans when I think of the trio. Other times, when I want a wider base of sounds, I'd go maybe as high as a quintet. And sometimes only a Big Band will do.
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Posted By: Ovalotus
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 2:02pm
It depends on what mood I'm in, but generally quintet.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 2:16pm
As far as non-fusion jazz goes; quintet for me. Piano, bass, drums, trumpet or trombone, and sax. I do like it when it's augmented with a guitar too, which would be a sextet
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Posted By: BenevolentBehemoth
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 2:44pm
Quintet - Drums, Bass, Piano, Trumpet, Tenor Sax
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2011 at 10:23pm
BenevolentBehemoth wrote:
Quintet - Drums, Bass, Piano, Trumpet, Tenor Sax |
Do I perform Quintet that can be recommended for another though I recall Miles Davis as this organization?
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Posted By: improvfan
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 10:48pm
love the big bands more variety and a bigger sound but small is perfect for a relaxing setting like dave brubeck etc.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 10:53pm
Finally another vote for the big bands, alright, welcome to the site.
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