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Your favorite of the innovators

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Topic: Your favorite of the innovators
Posted By: js
Subject: Your favorite of the innovators
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:02am
This is not an exhaustive list of every great saxophone player, but rather a semi-chronological list of the saxophone players who broke new ground for others to follow.

Don't pick the most technical or historically important, but pick the one you enjoy listening to the most.



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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 10:55am
Albert Ayler for me -  still first with Dolphy right after


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 11:07am
There are a lot of personal favorites for me up there, Shorter, Dolphy, Hawkins, just about all of them really, but lately I have been really enjoying Lester Young, although for now, I have very few of his recordings.


Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 1:32am
JC for me

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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 1:55am
Same, it seems an obvious choice, but JC.
I do love Pharoh & Wayne too - unsurprising, maybe? Both being disciples/followers and all.


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 3:19am
There is a bunch of followers in that list...So ideally the innovators should be the earlier ones... (not very familiar with Coleman Hawkins and Lester Young, but I know he precedes all the others on the list... )

So between Ornette, Bird  and Trane, my fave is easily Trane... but he was the later one to "pierce" as an innovator

I view him as innovating when he started dipping in modal jazz, which means at the earliest in My Fave Things (so 1960)...





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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 3:20am
Kind of surprised Sun Ra is not in that list, though...

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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 6:09am
  Sax man


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 7:19am
As for the list, each personality seems to equal it. Of course by a part and activity innovative. I go to Shorter if I think at a favorite point. And it is hard to throw away Ornette Coleman, too.

Even Jan Garbarek seems to be in the list if I think simply at an innovative point.


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 1:08pm
Yes, Garbarek could be seen as the leader in the new "cool" post-fusion sound.


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

  Sax man


of course... how dumb of me... sorry EmbarrassedWink!!!

if it says so in the OP, it didn't mention it in the title... (that's my alibi!!!LOL)



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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 6:59pm
For me it's between Coltrane and Coleman. But it'sd hard for me to vote against 'Trane...

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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 10:08pm
Got to admit that I don't know the first three well enough as I'd like to.

Still, sorry for being obvious, but it has to be Trane for me. He's just the most inspirational sax playing and compositions I've ever heard, so impressive.

Coleman I like him more as an "idealist"/composer rather than for his sax playing. 

Sanders is just Supreme, he really "evolved" Trane's style into something even more greater at times. But, his compositions, as much as I love them for their repetition and world influence, he never did those freaking great swinging hard bop numbers Trane did.

Shorter is Shorter, untouchable, simply I don't like him better than the above. 


Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2013 at 6:14pm
Coltrane is unbeatable.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2013 at 11:41am
Trane

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