Proto Jazz
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Topic: Proto Jazz
Posted By: js
Subject: Proto Jazz
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2012 at 8:32pm
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Since the first jazz recordings didn't take place until 1917, its hard to find the music that existed before that, yet I have often wondered what the old brass bands sounded like before they became jazz. The other day I stumbled across this CD, Baby Dodds "Talking and Drum Solos". The first eight cuts are cool enough and feature Dodds demonstrating great jazz drum styles from the 20s and earlier that don't even exist anymore, but even more surprising, starting on track 9 you can hear a brass band playing in a much older style that was probably what was happening somewhere approaching the turn of the century, (1890s or so). This brass band was recorded in the 1950s, but their music is much older than that. Sometimes in the old US south, you can find culture that exists outside of time. Listen to these amazing tracks and you can hear the roots of jazz, and you can also hear how African this music was, its not much different from some African field recordings I have. http://www.allmusic.com/album/talking-and-drum-solos-mw0000320149" rel="nofollow - http://www.allmusic.com/album/talking-and-drum-solos-mw0000320149 |
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2012 at 8:57pm
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I was interested about these matters, too. I thought that it had the relationship that was close to African music if I considered it as the history of the jazz. I do not know whether RnB and Ragtime should call it proto jazz before the jazz. However, I think that the album has ancestors of the jazz surely. Talk in particular about drum solo. Music called "Rudiments" has been already recorded in an album. This is one of the basic exercises to play a drum. I have listened to the teacher of my drum before. There was the military unit of the marching drum to raise the morale of the armed forces and was at the top. Even as for the situation dangerous. I did not understand the real intention, but thought that probably there were jazz and a relationship. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2012 at 9:01pm
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Fascinating, John, one does hear what would've been the beginnings of the jazz 'ground', the root patterns played as bass parts and consequently the other syncopations that emerged. Neat stuff. |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2012 at 9:08pm
| Yeah, I had no idea there were recordings like this out there, this was quite a nice surprise. It answers a lot of questions I had, you can clearly hear the Africa to jazz connection, this is the missing link. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2012 at 3:20am
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of limited interest, past the initial and very important archeological discovery, but very instructive nevertheless... Thanks for posting this 
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Posted By: Frederic_Alderon
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 3:06pm
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There's a nice playlist on Youtube called the same way, but I'm pretty sure there was something before that, or they just playing those first songs... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLMzFMAtTDwXIWh08lvXyoCmw7NFlWA0e |