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Topic: JMA Top 5
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Subject: JMA Top 5
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 11:14am
Just an observation, really - but I just noticed for what might be the first time in about 10 months, that HH's 'Crossings' has been knocked off the top 5.

Again, not mentioning this because I'm freaked out, but it's interesting to see the top 5 change a little - and I'm pretty excited to see Mingus creep in again

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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 3:57pm
Wow. Surprised to see Milestones in there.
 
And yes...good to see some Mingus up there.


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 4:05pm
wow Herbie got knocked out. Miles Davis deserves to have 3 of his own albums in the top spots (I didn't even look at the top 10), but it'd be nice if it was spread out more. But then again, lists like this are usually for newbies, so exposure to Miles' music usually leads to more jazz. And who better to than Miles as your first jazz experience?

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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 4:11pm
Ratings are over rated. Ermm 

Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 4:21pm
Agreed.

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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 9:38pm
Well 2 of those are my 2 favourite jazz albums of all time, so I'm not exactly discontent with it.  There is a lot of Miles I prefer over those other selections, but they are still very good (obviously)

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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

wow Herbie got knocked out. Miles Davis deserves to have 3 of his own albums in the top spots (I didn't even look at the top 10), but it'd be nice if it was spread out more. But then again, lists like this are usually for newbies, so exposure to Miles' music usually leads to more jazz. And who better to than Miles as your first jazz experience?


True indeed, Miles is a pretty awesome starting place, absolutely. If someone utterly new to jazz sees the the Top5/Top10 at any stage and it's got some Miles in it, they're gonna be on the right track.

Yeah, Herbie was at 6 last night, so still hovering.


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2012 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Wow. Surprised to see Milestones in there.
 
And yes...good to see some Mingus up there.


I was a little too - I like the album and it's important in the development of the modal approach, but I didn't expect it the way I expect KOB to be there

Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

Well 2 of those are my 2 favourite jazz albums of all time, so I'm not exactly discontent with it.  There is a lot of Miles I prefer over those other selections, but they are still very good (obviously)


What's your second? (Assuming teh first is Mingus)


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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 1:19am
A Love Supreme

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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 1:48am
^ ah, of course - another monster of an album.  Smile

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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 1:52am
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

wow Herbie got knocked out. Miles Davis deserves to have 3 of his own albums in the top spots (I didn't even look at the top 10), but it'd be nice if it was spread out more. But then again, lists like this are usually for newbies, so exposure to Miles' music usually leads to more jazz. And who better to than Miles as your first jazz experience?

Sometimes Miles may be too much for a first experience, it took me many years and hundreds of hours of jazz listening to start digging  Miles Smile


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 2:02am
^ Yeah? I'm curious, which Miles ones did you start with? Mine were KOB, Round About Midnight, so some of his more accessible ones etc  I imagine getting something else to start with would be different

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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 2:45am
KOB, one of my first jazz purchases

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I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
Ken Burns

Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 3:03am
Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:

KOB, one of my first jazz purchases


Cool, can you remember what it was like to listen to the first time?

I remember being instantly being 'soothed' I guess and think that despite the rhythm section seeming to be 'unchanging' (I was young and used to more overtly shifting rhythm sections of other genres) I was instantly drawn in to the tone of the sax and trumpet


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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 4:52am
I was 'blocked', I found it too 'heavy' for me,even today it's not on my top 10 or even 20.At that time I enjoyed Bill Evans, Ben Webster, Dave Brubeck , EST

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by triceratopsoil triceratopsoil wrote:

A Love Supreme
 
Biiiingoooo!!!
 
And I personally thing Gil Evans' Sketches Of Spain (not really a Miles albumWink) should also be in the top 5


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Posted By: MilesBeyond
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 7:31pm
IASW is one of those albums I've never appreciated as much as other people seem to... I love it, without a doubt, but I don't seem to have the same passion for it a lot of other jazzers do. When I want electric Miles, I usually end up reaching for Bitches Brew. 

Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 7:40pm
^ I think "In The Sky" and "Kilimanjaro" to be indispensable to study these a series of situation likewise. A thought and the expression that Miles went before to enter into in the 70s are very remarkable with these albums. I feel that these are not at all incompletions to BB album.

Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 1:25am
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

^ I think "In The Sky" and "Kilimanjaro" to be indispensable to study these a series of situation likewise. A thought and the expression that Miles went before to enter into in the 70s are very remarkable with these albums. I feel that these are not at all incompletions to BB album.
 
I tend to slide in Miles In The Sky between Kilimandjaro and IASW, in Miles' electric progression
 
As the artwork hints, it's got a certain kind psych quality to it, that brings it rather close to BB
 
 
 


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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2012 at 8:10pm
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

^ I think "In The Sky" and "Kilimanjaro" to be indispensable to study these a series of situation likewise. A thought and the expression that Miles went before to enter into in the 70s are very remarkable with these albums. I feel that these are not at all incompletions to BB album.
 
I tend to slide in Miles In The Sky between Kilimandjaro and IASW, in Miles' electric progression
 
As the artwork hints, it's got a certain kind psych quality to it, that brings it rather close to BB
 
 
 
 
I think Miles to have always found new music. And it is a fact to have recognized the musician such as Jimi and Sly equally. Probably he would take all in. Album art of In The Sky. As for the contest by George Benson and Keith Jarrett likewise. It would be thrown all open by the filter which lasted of Miles.

Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Wow. Surprised to see Milestones in there.
 
And yes...good to see some Mingus up there.


I was a little too - I like the album and it's important in the development of the modal approach, but I didn't expect it the way I expect KOB to be there

 
If i'm honest I"d like to see a little more diversity in the top 5 (maybe some monk or Duke), bbut can't really complain about MD in a jazz top 5 Tongue


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

^ I think "In The Sky" and "Kilimanjaro" to be indispensable to study these a series of situation likewise. A thought and the expression that Miles went before to enter into in the 70s are very remarkable with these albums. I feel that these are not at all incompletions to BB album.
 
I tend to slide in Miles In The Sky between Kilimandjaro and IASW, in Miles' electric progression
 
As the artwork hints, it's got a certain kind psych quality to it, that brings it rather close to BB
 
 
I think Miles to have always found new music. And it is a fact to have recognized the musician such as Jimi and Sly equally. Probably he would take all in. Album art of In The Sky. As for the contest by George Benson and Keith Jarrett likewise. It would be thrown all open by the filter which lasted of Miles.
 
I agree
 
I remember seeing the Miles in the Sky cover and thinking it would be good, just based on the image (i know, nevr judg a book...)
 
 
 


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Wow. Surprised to see Milestones in there.
 
And yes...good to see some Mingus up there.


I was a little too - I like the album and it's important in the development of the modal approach, but I didn't expect it the way I expect KOB to be there

 
If i'm honest I"d like to see a little more diversity in the top 5 (maybe some monk or Duke), bbut can't really complain about MD in a jazz top 5 Tongue
 
Yeah, Miles earned it, huh? Which Monk would you place in there?


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

^ I think "In The Sky" and "Kilimanjaro" to be indispensable to study these a series of situation likewise. A thought and the expression that Miles went before to enter into in the 70s are very remarkable with these albums. I feel that these are not at all incompletions to BB album.
 
I tend to slide in Miles In The Sky between Kilimandjaro and IASW, in Miles' electric progression
 
As the artwork hints, it's got a certain kind psych quality to it, that brings it rather close to BB
 
 
I think Miles to have always found new music. And it is a fact to have recognized the musician such as Jimi and Sly equally. Probably he would take all in. Album art of In The Sky. As for the contest by George Benson and Keith Jarrett likewise. It would be thrown all open by the filter which lasted of Miles.
 
I agree
 
I remember seeing the Miles in the Sky cover and thinking it would be good, just based on the image (i know, nevr judg a book...)
 
 
 


I love Miles In The Sky. Thing is, aside from the first track which is a nice slice of early fusion, and the inclusion of guitarist George Benson on track 2, it's still more or less the avant-garde post-bop of his second great quintet on tracks 2, 3, and 4. Filles... is half post-bop and half fusion, and then In A Silent Way is Miles going full force into fusion, albeit on the mellower side. It wouldn't be until the following album Bitches Brew where Miles' exploration of fusion exploded.


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 9:12pm
Good point, Mike.
I also often wonder whether Benson and Miles could have done more together, or whether their styles don't seem like a natural fit?  Actually no, rather, that some aspects of their respective styles weren't a fit?

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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 9:29pm
There might be really some trial and error before McLaughlin joined it. Benson does not really do the performance that exploded very much. As for it, Benson seems to be looking for the place to stay of own definitely. However, as a result, "In The Sky" may have a certain experimental element. And I feel that the performance that does not harmonize acts well.

Posted By: js
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Good point, Mike.
I also often wonder whether Benson and Miles could have done more together, or whether their styles don't seem like a natural fit?  Actually no, rather, that some aspects of their respective styles weren't a fit?
I have heard that Benson didn't care for the lifestyle and drug use. Benson tends to be a clean religious man.

Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2012 at 3:17am
Originally posted by js js wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Good point, Mike.
I also often wonder whether Benson and Miles could have done more together, or whether their styles don't seem like a natural fit?  Actually no, rather, that some aspects of their respective styles weren't a fit?
I have heard that Benson didn't care for the lifestyle and drug use. Benson tends to be a clean religious man.
 
 
Well stylistically speaking, Benson's early CTI albums are millions of miles away from BB or OnThe Corner
 
But would Benson have covered such drug-induced Jeff Air tracks like White Rabbit
 
And I'm definitely not convince his So What reprise did a lot of good to the original KOB version.
 
 
 


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2012 at 3:44pm
Looks like In A Silent Way got bumped down a few notches. Kind of Blue is now #1. I wonder what happened?

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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2012 at 1:55am
^ Those two often fight it out for number one, huh?

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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2012 at 2:19am
Now...

Crossings 4.86
The Black Saint 4.87

Interesting...

Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 2:53am
Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:

I was 'blocked', I found it too 'heavy' for me,even today it's not on my top 10 or even 20.At that time I enjoyed Bill Evans, Ben Webster, Dave Brubeck , EST


I can see that, as coming from EST and Bill, Dave etc. It's kinda one hell of a rich-sounding album too, and 'heavy' I find a fitting word, it is at that.

What's your top Miles album, idlero?

Originally posted by MilesBeyond MilesBeyond wrote:

IASW is one of those albums I've never appreciated as much as other people seem to... I love it, without a doubt, but I don't seem to have the same passion for it a lot of other jazzers do. When I want electric Miles, I usually end up reaching for Bitches Brew. 


I end up reaching for BB when I'm after electric too - but also for a bit of darkness I guess!



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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 2:56am
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by js js wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Good point, Mike.
I also often wonder whether Benson and Miles could have done more together, or whether their styles don't seem like a natural fit?  Actually no, rather, that some aspects of their respective styles weren't a fit?
I have heard that Benson didn't care for the lifestyle and drug use. Benson tends to be a clean religious man.
 
 
Well stylistically speaking, Benson's early CTI albums are millions of miles away from BB or OnThe Corner
 
But would Benson have covered such drug-induced Jeff Air tracks like White Rabbit
 
And I'm definitely not convince his So What reprise did a lot of good to the original KOB version.
 


Ah, I can see that about Benson, steering clear of that scene. Sure, it'd be great to play with Miles etc but if you don't like the lifestyle, you won't be happy etc etc etc

I agree Sean, that's why it strikes me as an interesting pairing - such difference between the two


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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 6:29am
Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:

I was 'blocked', I found it too 'heavy' for me,even today it's not on my top 10 or even 20.At that time I enjoyed Bill Evans, Ben Webster, Dave Brubeck , EST


I can see that, as coming from EST and Bill, Dave etc. It's kinda one hell of a rich-sounding album too, and 'heavy' I find a fitting word, it is at that.

What's your top Miles album, idlero?


Can't say , I barely listen to Miles


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 8:37am
^ how about, what albums of his do you own? Smile

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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 10:26am
I take the Fifth LOL

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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2012 at 3:10pm
Probably it's interesting to compare our top 5 with Rate Your Music Jazz Albums Top-5 :

1 http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles_davis/kind_of_blue/" rel="nofollow">Kind of Blue
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/miles_davis" rel="nofollow - Miles Davis  
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles_davis/kind_of_blue/" rel="nofollow - Kind of Blue  (1959)

http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Modal+Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Modal Jazz ,  http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Cool+Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Cool Jazz ,  http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Jazz
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles_davis/kind_of_blue/" rel="nofollow - Avg rating:  - 9,346 | Reviews (total): 
2 http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/john_coltrane/a_love_supreme/" rel="nofollow">A Love Supreme
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/john_coltrane" rel="nofollow - John Coltrane  
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/john_coltrane/a_love_supreme/" rel="nofollow - A Love Supreme  (1965)

http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Avant-Garde+Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Avant-Garde Jazz ,  http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Jazz
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/john_coltrane/a_love_supreme/" rel="nofollow - Avg rating:  - 7,230 | Reviews (total): 
3 http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/charles_mingus/the_black_saint_and_the_sinner_lady/" rel="nofollow">The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/charles_mingus" rel="nofollow - Charles Mingus  
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/charles_mingus/the_black_saint_and_the_sinner_lady/" rel="nofollow - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady  (1963)

http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Avant-Garde+Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Avant-Garde Jazz ,  http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Third+Stream/" rel="nofollow - Third Stream
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/charles_mingus/the_black_saint_and_the_sinner_lady/" rel="nofollow - Avg rating:  - 4,858 | Reviews (total): 
4 http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles_davis/in_a_silent_way/" rel="nofollow">In a Silent Way
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/miles_davis" rel="nofollow - Miles Davis  
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles_davis/in_a_silent_way/" rel="nofollow - In a Silent Way  (1969)

http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Jazz+Fusion/" rel="nofollow - Jazz Fusion ,  http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Jazz
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles_davis/in_a_silent_way/" rel="nofollow - Avg rating:  - 4,175 | Reviews (total): 
5 http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/charles_mingus/mingus_ah_um/" rel="nofollow">Mingus Ah Um
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/charles_mingus" rel="nofollow - Charles Mingus  
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/charles_mingus/mingus_ah_um/" rel="nofollow - Mingus Ah Um  (1959)

http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Jazz/" rel="nofollow - Jazz ,  http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Post-Bop/" rel="nofollow - Post-Bop
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/charles_mingus/mingus_ah_um/" rel="nofollow - Avg rating:  - 3,647 | Reviews (total): 

Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2012 at 3:29pm
^ heh, it's not much different.

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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2012 at 6:24pm
That's interesting indeed. Later I might try find another site's top5. Mingus rises again

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