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Topic: Best of Herbie Hancock - Leader
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Subject: Best of Herbie Hancock - Leader
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 4:38pm
I've thrown in a small range of albums, some that I haven't heard (like 'Mr Hands' or 'Gershwin's World' - but am keen to) and a couple Live ones too. I want to  do a sideman poll too, just gotta do some more thinking.
 
My own thoughts soon as I get time


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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 4:44pm
Half of the list above are excellent albums. Voted for Crossings,but it wasn't easy to choose. "River.." is easily the worst album from the list though   LOL


Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 4:47pm
I've already said it, for me, Crossings and Maiden Voyage are his peak compositionally speaking. Then, in the funk world, Thrust and Headhunters are top-notch, Man-Child not too far.

The rest is pretty much excellent.

(since I'm in a jazz mood rather than fusion, I'll go for Maiden)


Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 4:52pm
Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

Half of the list above are excellent albums. Voted for Crossings,but it wasn't easy to choose. "River.." is easily the worst album from the list though   LOL
 
Hahaha - I wasn't sure about that one, Slava - have never heard it but wanted to throw in a few newer releases. What's it like? I should check if we have any reviews or stream some samples
 
Hard choice huh - I should have gone with multiple votes!
 
Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

I've already said it, for me, Crossings and Maiden Voyage are his peak compositionally speaking. Then, in the funk world, Thrust and Headhunters are top-notch, Man-Child not too far.

The rest is pretty much excellent.

(since I'm in a jazz mood rather than fusion, I'll go for Maiden)
 
Nice, I reckon it's tough to choice between his range of styles. I do like Man-Child a lot too - edges over Thrust and HH beats em both!


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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 5:01pm
"River..." is one of three most current Hancock's albums -all collections of duos/collaborations with different but mostly pop musicians. I think this formula became popular after extremely successful Santana's "Supernatural" album, Santana tried to repeat it few more times (total disaster), Hancock released three similar works with same result. To be honest of all three "River..." possibly is the best (or at least listenable,mostly because of Joni Mitchell's material)


Posted By: js
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 6:09pm
I'll go with "Speak Like a Child", exquisite piano playing matched with one-of-a-kind orchestrations and compositions.


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 10:51pm
I own the album which Herbie Hancock announced in the 70s to some extent. Probably I thought that methods of the expression about the musicality were different in the acoustic band and electric band.

I felt that "Flood" was a peak as so-called Head Hunters and the performance that I performed for me. Or I like those albums personally because I felt it when trio derived from V.S.O.P performs a stable performance generally. And probably I think "Directstep" and "Dedicaton" to be the album which a fan really enjoys. As a result, I went to others.


Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 12:23am
Crossings

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 4:08am
In  the ansence of Sextant, I went for Crossings ... and then I would say Man--Child, which is my fave from the Head Hunters era.

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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 7:06am
Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

"River..." is one of three most current Hancock's albums -all collections of duos/collaborations with different but mostly pop musicians. I think this formula became popular after extremely successful Santana's "Supernatural" album, Santana tried to repeat it few more times (total disaster), Hancock released three similar works with same result. To be honest of all three "River..." possibly is the best (or at least listenable,mostly because of Joni Mitchell's material)


Yeah, I did suspect that compared to say, 'possibilities' the joni album might well have been better. And Carlos' follow-ups to 'Supernatural' were indeed not very satisfying, huh?


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 7:10am
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

In  the ansence of Sextant, I went for Crossings ... and then I would say Man--Child, which is my fave from the Head Hunters era.


I thought Crossings might get some love, and I nearly added Sextant, but thought that Crossings had an edge. Voted for Empyrean Isles myself, no surprise there though, my first review for the site!


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 7:11am
Originally posted by js js wrote:

I'll go with "Speak Like a Child", exquisite piano playing matched with one-of-a-kind orchestrations and compositions.


I thought you'd choose that one, John - right up there in my top 5 Hancock releases


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 7:12am
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

I own the album which Herbie Hancock announced in the 70s to some extent. Probably I thought that methods of the expression about the musicality were different in the acoustic band and electric band.

I felt that "Flood" was a peak as so-called Head Hunters and the performance that I performed for me. Or I like those albums personally because I felt it when trio derived from V.S.O.P performs a stable performance generally. And probably I think "Directstep" and "Dedicaton" to be the album which a fan really enjoys. As a result, I went to others.


I nearly put 'Flood' in, Kazu - what's 'Dedication' like in your opinion, I've been meaning to import that one for a while


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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 7:17am
Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

"River..." is one of three most current Hancock's albums -all collections of duos/collaborations with different but mostly pop musicians. I think this formula became popular after extremely successful Santana's "Supernatural" album, Santana tried to repeat it few more times (total disaster), Hancock released three similar works with same result. To be honest of all three "River..." possibly is the best (or at least listenable,mostly because of Joni Mitchell's material)


Yeah, I did suspect that compared to say, 'possibilities' the joni album might well have been better. And Carlos' follow-ups to 'Supernatural' were indeed not very satisfying, huh?

Even more -Santana finished the series with album of "classic guitar rock hits" covers where he switched from flirts with hip-hop/pop to  old-fashioned guitar solos (mostly out of place).The only difference is at least it is rock,not pop album LOL


Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 7:20am
Yeah! Doing 'Whole Lotta Love' with Chris from Soundgarden - it doesn't sound terrible at least!

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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 2:33pm
I went for "Takin Off" . It has Dexter Gordon and Freddie Hubbard  as  sidemen..................wow and not only that,  though I have grown  a little tired of it over the years. "Watermelon Man" (best version)........like I said it has Dexter blowin' Sax man
 
I have a real liking for debut albums, (most times). It is not intentional,for some reason a lot of times they are the albums that grab me


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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

"River..." is one of three most current Hancock's albums -all collections of duos/collaborations with different but mostly pop musicians. I think this formula became popular after extremely successful Santana's "Supernatural" album, Santana tried to repeat it few more times (total disaster), Hancock released three similar works with same result. To be honest of all three "River..." possibly is the best (or at least listenable,mostly because of Joni Mitchell's material)


Yeah, I did suspect that compared to say, 'possibilities' the joni album might well have been better. And Carlos' follow-ups to 'Supernatural' were indeed not very satisfying, huh?

Even more -Santana finished the series with album of "classic guitar rock hits" covers where he switched from flirts with hip-hop/pop to  old-fashioned guitar solos (mostly out of place).The only difference is at least it is rock,not pop album LOL
Any of those style of guest or tribute albums, no matter what the genre of music (Country are real bad offenders) are usually crap. I have bought a few ( okay several) over the years and even sitting her now just going through my head what I can remember I have, there is not one album that I can think of that would be above 3 stars if I rated any of them.
 
I wish a lot of these great musicians would just get back to basics and do what made em' popular in the first place. If Herbie did that Cool ,of course nothing bigger than a QuintetApprove
The last of his fairly recent albums I have heard fully was the "New Standard" which really did not grab me. The cd had a fault in the last track and I played the album about 4 times before I took it back to exchange it and lucky for me they did not have another copy. So I looked disapointed Wink and grabbed another album.


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by Matt Matt wrote:

I went for "Takin Off" . It has Dexter Gordon and Freddie Hubbard  as  sidemen..................wow and not only that,  though I have grown  a little tired of it over the years. "Watermelon Man" (best version)........like I said it has Dexter blowin' Sax man
 
I have a real liking for debut albums, (most times). It is not intentional,for some reason a lot of times they are the albums that grab me
 
Yeah, I thought there was no way I could not put his debut up, great sidemen as you say. And that is a great version of WM, though I lean toward the funked up HH release. Perhaps because I heard it first?


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Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:04pm
Personally I always liked The Prisoner, It's a little different for Herbie Joe Henderson is great on that one, I like any of the Mwandishi Band albums, Sextant  sounds incredible on vinyl.


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:38pm
Miles Davis which gave an opportunity to let Herbie Hancock play an electronic piano had eyes of the foresight.


Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2011 at 7:26am
Originally posted by darkprinceofjazz darkprinceofjazz wrote:

Personally I always liked The Prisoner, It's a little different for Herbie Joe Henderson is great on that one, I like any of the Mwandishi Band albums, Sextant  sounds incredible on vinyl.


I nearly put The Prisoner in, but I cut it (along with a few others) because I thought I was in danger of including his whole discography hahaha. I flipped a coin between Crossings and Sextant too Smile

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

Miles Davis which gave an opportunity to let Herbie Hancock play an electronic piano had eyes of the foresight.


Yes! So much so - probably another of Davis' greatest skills - supporting superb sidemen who become (already are) superb leaders


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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 8:16pm
Empyrean Isles because it's a neat (almost) four-genre post bop workout with an ace line-up

Herbie Hancock − Piano
Freddie Hubbard − Cornet
Ron Carter − Bass
Tony Williams − drums


And includes at least one classic Hancock tune, on top of which has an excellent mix of stellar solos and impressive ensemble playing. One of my earliest Hancock purchases, and probably earliest Jazz purchases too.


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