Need more Coltrane
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Topic: Need more Coltrane
Posted By: supertwister
Subject: Need more Coltrane
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 10:16am
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Being a bit of a jazz noob I only have two Coltrane albums, "Blue Train" and 'A Love Supreme" (probably the most obvious choices) Love both, need more. Where do I start? |
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 12:04pm
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Hey! Perhaps Giant Steps - another classic. My Favourite Things is great too (there are so many of course, and other members will know much more than me as I don't have dozens of John's albums) If you wanna go for his more Free-Jazz-ish stuff Ascension is worth a look and finally, if you don't have it already - Miles Davis' Kind of Blue features some great Coltrane. ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 1:01pm
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^I second Giant Steps and My Favorite Things, essential jazz/Trane stuff. If you want more of his early stuff, hard bop, check Traneing In with the Red Garland Trio, or Coltrane (from 1957). Others I really like and recommend: Africa/Brass, Coltrane's Sound, Coltrane Jazz, First Meditations, Live at Birdland.
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Posted By: supertwister
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2011 at 2:24pm
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Well clearly, eventually I will need the whole discography  Will start with the Giant Steps and My Favorite Things Miles I know a bit better, think I have 15 albums or so by the man. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 11:44am
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Not mentioned already, I really love Ole Coltrane. Giant Steps, Ascension, Meditations, My Favourite Things and Transition are all much loved by me. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 1:08pm
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Check this out if you get the chance: Marvelous, in my opinion. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 6:37pm
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^ Woah, I can't believe I've never heard this album, thank you, Logan. Ordering it as soon as I can. ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 7:35pm
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 7:40pm
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^Nice. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 11:33pm
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Ive found that just about any album with Coltrane's name on it up until 1965 is very good. Anything after that is up to you depending on your tastes, since his music started to become more abstract.
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Posted By: MilesBeyond
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 1:44pm
This. I would definitely recommend Giant Steps as a starting point. I quite enjoy Soultrane as well, but I wouldn't call that one as essential. |
darkshade wrote:Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 1:41am
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all of the above, also Settin' the Pace, and for live I'd suggest One Down,One Up and an Italian issue i Miti del Jazz: 5 -- http://miti-del-jazz.ilsole24ore.com/johncoltrane.html" rel="nofollow - http://miti-del-jazz.ilsole24ore.com/johncoltrane.html |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 7:26am
well, the album that resembles most A Love Supreme is IMHO First Meditations
Obviously linked to Meditations and being a sort of first draft of his free-jazz album, First Meditations is much muxch more like ALS, especially when it comes to the dissonance. and musicality.
------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....  |
Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2011 at 1:51pm
Agreed. That and Transition are great successors to A Love Supreme, although they were released when Trane had passed away.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 3:24am
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^^^
I always meant to check Transitions.... I guess it'll be ASAP...
Thanks for the reminder...  ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2011 at 2:06pm
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So Ole Coltrane is worth checking out? I'll definitely do so.
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2011 at 3:43pm
I have had it on order for a few weeks, and am looking forward to it greatly, only heard one track but I am convined it will be great ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: sodr2
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 6:25am
just gave this one a listen and by golly im impressed |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 4:13pm
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First Meditations is good. For some reason, Meditations didn't do much for me.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 7:29pm
| The Impulse! album Coltrane (1962), especially "Out of this World" 14 minutes of heaven. "Tunji" and "Miles Mode" worthy as well. great underrated album. |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 10:46am
| GIANT STEPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S A MUST! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 1:03pm
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Let's not forget the Miles Davis albums that Coltrane is on, those are just as essential as any of his own albums.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 9:45pm
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So I realized I need more Coltrane myself. I have: Blue Train Giant Steps A Love Supreme Soultrane I've heard various other albums here and there in the past, but those 4 albums are the ones I'm most familiar with. I don't know what to check out next, I've heard the One Up, One Down: Live At The Half Note that came out a few years ago is really good. Any help? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 10:18pm
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^ judging from the albums you have, looks like "My Favorite Things" is a good way to go. Coltrane is amazing, i always thought that nobody could top the album "Giant Steps" and his big ensemble avant-garde records were like no one else long ago, but I probably listen to other sax players more than him. so my knowledge may be a bit limited.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 10:27pm
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Ah yes, I know I've heard his rendition of My Favorite Things, and probably the rest of that album too. I'll look into that one next. I remember watching a documentary with Coltrane in it, and he was playing so furiously. It makes me want to check out a good live album of his, of course, I've heard stuff with Miles, but I'd like one with Coltrane's own band(s). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 10:34pm
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I agree, he's an odd fit with Miles, two very different approaches to music. Coltrane with Elvin Jones is always amazing.
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2012 at 12:46am
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I love Ole which has a fantastic opening piece and a great ballad too. The opener has a slight 'My Favourite Things' feel, with a Spanish influence in terms of the root material. Features Freddie Hubbard on trumpet as well, which I really enjoy. Have a review up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltrane_Jazz" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltrane_Jazz The album above is pretty good too - though I like a few of the alternate takes better than the ones that made the original LP! I also recently got Ascension but haven't made much headway yet ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: Shrdlu
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2014 at 9:23am
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If you can afford them, I'd recommend your getting the box sets of his recordings for Prestige, Atlantic and Impulse. The recording engineering at Atlantic is nowhere near as good as that at Rudy van Gelder's studio, where most of the Prestiges and Impulses were recorded. At Atlantic, Elvin's drums sound as if they are in a cardboard box. Nevertheless, the Atlantic sessions in October, 1960, are superb. They were the first with McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones, and Steve Davis plays great (on bass) too. Outstanding Prestige albums are "Settin' The Pace" and "Lush Life". I also strongly recommend the "Crescent" album - very tasty. Later, you should check out the recordings Trane made for Savoy with Wilbur Harden as leader. The first of these has some electrifying Trane, with Tommy Flanagan on piano as a bonus. |
Posted By: carlomuscat
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2014 at 11:47am
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Some others albums that might interest you, which you can listen to on YouTube, are http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuWAA8mUGww&index=7&list=FLg7OZBmwN1FdSz1u-L68WNQ" rel="nofollow - Coltrane (Prestige, 1957) , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pnlt7h8vIE&index=9&list=FLg7OZBmwN1FdSz1u-L68WNQ" rel="nofollow - Dakar (1963) , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-8pU7VCf9o&list=FLg7OZBmwN1FdSz1u-L68WNQ&index=10" rel="nofollow - The Cats (1957) , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTLqmV3-z4&index=11&list=FLg7OZBmwN1FdSz1u-L68WNQ" rel="nofollow - Lush Life (Prestige) . I'm not sure if it has been mentioned already, but I believe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4O8f4DB6I" rel="nofollow - Coltrane Plays the Blues (1962) is one of the essential Coltrane albums. I hope this helps. ------------- Carlo Muscat www.carlomuscat.com SoundCloud | bit.ly/11dCu7g YouTube | bit.ly/1UhEyUb Bandcamp | bit.ly/1Wp0HQH Instagram | bit.ly/1pkoFAI Twitter | bit.ly/1UYdGIQ |
Posted By: PopetherevXXVIII
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2015 at 12:45pm
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Ellington and Coletraine is alright. It's not a great Duke album and not a great Coletraine album but as a stand alone piece It's enjoyable. |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2015 at 4:19pm
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My Favourite Things, Blue Train, A Love Supreme, "Africa" and of course although he is only a side man "Monks Music" . I find one of his most intense albums was "Live At The Village Vanguard" and recommend the box set on cd. I am not a fan of his later material. Anything up to and including "Sun Ship" after that he lost me. I primarily like Bop in any variety but with Avante I have my favourites and the not so ones with very little in between. ------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2015 at 8:25pm
Some of my favorite records are AG jazz records, but bad or even mediocre AG jazz is unbearable after a few minutes.
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2015 at 2:33pm
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 10:53am
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Posted By: antongf
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 4:27pm
| I have a large collection of albums by Coltrane (though not everything he ever recorded) and, although some of them are better than others, I don't think Trane ever cut a bad album. One of my favorites is Ballads, which is usually seen as more of a commercial venture and therefore very severely criticized by many critics. I agree that it is much easier to digest and enjoy than his more experimental work, but I still think it's a valuable album, and I actually find myself coming back to it periodically, especially when I am listening to Coltrane late at night... |
Posted By: liontime
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2016 at 2:28pm
| Don't forget to make your way to Alice Coltrane's work eventually! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 2:21pm
Absofùckinglutely  Ptah The El Daoud and Journey to Satchidananda are Alice at her top. ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... |
Posted By: jazzlover98
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 3:08am
| Coltrane's version of 'My Favorite Things" is a personal favorite of mine. You should really check it out. It's a long, largely improvised, creative twist on the song that is almost 14 minutes long. |
Posted By: Shrdlu
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 2:40pm
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I have had most of Trane's recordings for many years. He was a jazz giant in the top half-dozen. I am now older, and confident enough to say that I think his later material - mid 1965 onward - was just a damned noise. I have heard all of it, even including a 4 CD set of a 1966 tour of Japan. You get long tracks of Trane and Pharoah Sanders just screeching and honking. Alice Coltrane didn't swing, and just rumbled around on the piano. Rashied Ali didn't swing either. McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones were angry about the new direction and left. Elvin's remark about Rashied isn't very polite, so I won't quote it here. Just being honest. But, anything before mid 1965 was great.
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