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    Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 8:33pm
I think that free jazz is missing on this website. It's a part of jazz music and it's really good.
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It's here, it's part of Avant-Garde Jazz.
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Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

It's here, it's part of Avant-Garde Jazz.
 
Yeah, understood and I largely agree that they should be kept together , but actually the search for Free Jazz or Free Form Jazz sould be immediately gratified by finding it . Not having the Free Jazz name in the genre list is puzzling, IMHO
 
Sooooooo, I'd propose that Avant-Garde genre be renamed Avant-garde & free=form jazz 
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Sooooooo, I'd propose that Avant-Garde genre be renamed Avant-garde & free=form jazz 


Just one observation, there's free-jazz and free-form (music), not sure what free-form jazz is, in that case. Tongue

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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Sooooooo, I'd propose that Avant-Garde genre be renamed Avant-garde & free=form jazz 


Just one observation, there's free-jazz and free-form (music), not sure what free-form jazz is, in that case. Tongue
 
About two years ago, I would've agreed with you, but more recently  I've seen/read both actually, but don't ask me where, though!


Edited by Sean Trane - 11 Aug 2011 at 7:10am
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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lol, you didn't look very hard...

Personally, I prefer it to be just avant-garde jazz, I don't like long subgenre names and it's not hard to figure out that free jazz is under avant-garde jazz. People sometimes make a technical distinction between avant-garde jazz is primarily composed, while free jazz is primarily improved, but I think that really doesn't matter.
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Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:



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Beat me to it.

That's Kenny G with Miles Davis on my avatar, by the way.
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Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:



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That sounded like Latin Fusion.
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^indeed, the music is not free jazz at all, that's a pity. But still, I thought the same thing: was going to put the video, but was too lazy.  Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

lol, you didn't look very hard...

Personally, I prefer it to be just avant-garde jazz, I don't like long subgenre names and it's not hard to figure out that free jazz is under avant-garde jazz. People sometimes make a technical distinction between avant-garde jazz is primarily composed, while free jazz is primarily improved, but I think that really doesn't matter.
 
The problem is that avant-garde is a little too broad for its own good>> It includes the Impulse! label's New Thing, in which Alice Coltrane is thrown in...
 
But Alice is way too far away to be included in free-jazz ala Keith Tippett or Peter Brotzman 
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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I'm not very familiar with Alice Coltrane's discography, but I do know enough that I know what you mean, she's a lot less harsh than Peter Brotzmann. But everything I've ever read about her regards her as avant-garde jazz, and there's also a pretty big difference between EST and Jaga Jazzist in Nu Jazz...
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olol
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Not an expert in free jazz, but from the linguistic and logical standpoint and in order to make "free jazz" tag visible, what do you think to add "Avant-Garde Jazz/Free Jazz" or "Avant-Garde/Free Jazz" as a title of sub-genre?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 6:45am
Thanks for the suggestion, but that has already been brought up. Free jazz is a subset of AG, as explained in our definition, so we will probably keep it that way.
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Good. :)
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