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Sean Trane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 791 |
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First off, I'd want to say that that when BB was released, it was not called fusion, but jazz-rock..the word fusion came a little later, 74 or 75 if I remember well.
And just because we can't find something closely similar to BB doesn't mean much (name me one album that is similar to St Pepper, Zoso (Zep IV), or In The Court Of Crimson King (not counting Poseidon).... none right???
First, such iconic albums were so highly regarded, that no-one would've dared really approaching BB in terms of copying... Aesthetically I think most artistes back then would've committed suicide by duplicating it, except maube Miles himself.... And when one knows how he hated to stagnate ... (I mean even the twin-sister album Big Fun (recorded in the same months, sometimes even the same sessions, but released three years later, is completely different, including Indian instruments)...
Sooo even the numerous collabs that did play on BB just inspired themselves of where BB left things at >>> Remember there was a whole new continent to explore back then, so no-one would've thought of duplicating exactly the sound (which was most likely a spur-of-the-moment thing
Despite this, many trad-jazz musos jumped on the jazz-rock bandwagon (not only Don Byrd for ex, but Sonny Rollins, etc...).... and the public wasn't fooled, for a minute.... Ethiopian Knights , although excellent, most likely didn't achieve a tenth of BB's sales back then, but even less so nowadays... because it's just kind of forgotten by everyone but a few of us irreductibles/ inveterates....
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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seb2112 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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Know that I do appreciate the effort of anyone who attempted to make me discover a new band/artist.
How I got my IPOD to 5000 songs with my pickyness I will never know...
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seb2112 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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I agree with everything you said. My point is simply that although BB was fusion/jazz-rock's starting point, in retrospect, it doesn't sound like the typical sound the 70's band later developped into traditional, typical jazz fusion. It's not a bad thing, it just means that when one has a craving for BB styled music, you don't have a whole lot of albums to turn to.
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Abraxas ![]() JMA Collaborator ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1251 |
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I was referring stylistically speaking, and "actual fusion" I meant the popular fusion wave of Mahavishnu, mid/late Weather Report, RtF and Hancock's Headhunters, amongst others. I'm not denying that BItches Brew was like the main factor for all those things to happen, but one really can't point out something from Mahavishnu on Bitches Brew, except the guitar lines.
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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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^ Agreed, but that doesn't mean "nothing to do" either.
I'll come back with a recommendation in a minute, to bring the thread on topic. :D |
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Sean Trane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 791 |
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Retro-jazz rock!!!
![]() ![]() Man this was enjoyable.... Could be my best 2011 release with VdGG.
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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Tortoise meets Miles meets Ash Ra Tempel
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Stooge ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Toronto, Canada Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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^ ^
Never heard them before. Add them to my "want list".
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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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^ Cool! It's an excellent album, go for it.
![]() BTW I was sure I'm going to be cruficied for this suggestion. ![]() |
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seb2112 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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set my IPOD to random and was reminded of a band to mention here, Agora, its like a Canterburry version of the BB feel. Well worth checking out
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seb2112 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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Just got Miles' AGHARTA album, and it is also excellent, although not in the exacte vein of BB. Still gotta listen to Dark Magus and Pangaea
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darkshade ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 1966 |
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Based on what you said, you'll probably enjoy Dark Magus much more than Agharta or Pangaea. DM as more attitude. |
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seb2112 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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But get back to the original topic, neither album has that epic feel I find in Bitches Brew. I guess BB is a unique album and I'll always have to turn to that specific album to get my fix, like Ornette Coleman's OF HUMAN FEELINGS and Milton Babbitt\s ALL SET
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MilesBeyond ![]() JMA Jazz Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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These are what I was going to suggest. I think the WR being "smooth" comment might come from the prominence of Shorter's soprano playing, which was significantly less essential on BB. Unfortunately, thanks to the damnable Kenny G, very few people in this day and age can hear the soprano sax without thinking cheesy smooth jazz. I remember that was even my first reaction (which I have since overcome, thankfully). |
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MilesBeyond ![]() JMA Jazz Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 May 2011 Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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Hmmm, what WR have you listened to? I had a similar impression of their Heavy Weather era stuff, but I Sing the Body Electric is a different league entirely. Edited by MilesBeyond - 13 Aug 2011 at 7:11pm |
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