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    Posted: 28 Dec 2020 at 4:29pm
^ Of Miles' fusion albums I like Big Fun, Get Up With It, Agharta and Live at the Fillmore the best.
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

Originally posted by khedger khedger wrote:

Here are a few things you MIGHT like:

Big Fun - Miles
Hallucination Engine - Material
Seven Souls - Material
"Weather Report" - Weather Report (there are two albums by this name, i'm recommending their first album which has Zawinul, Shorter, Vitous, Airto, and Alphonse Mouzon)


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Hallucination Engine and Big Fun are two of my favorite albums.

Mine too.....I actually like Big Fun a bit more than Bitches.....always have.

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Originally posted by khedger khedger wrote:

Here are a few things you MIGHT like:

Big Fun - Miles
Hallucination Engine - Material
Seven Souls - Material
"Weather Report" - Weather Report (there are two albums by this name, i'm recommending their first album which has Zawinul, Shorter, Vitous, Airto, and Alphonse Mouzon)


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Hallucination Engine and Big Fun are two of my favorite albums.
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Here are a few things you MIGHT like:

Big Fun - Miles
Hallucination Engine - Material
Seven Souls - Material
"Weather Report" - Weather Report (there are two albums by this name, i'm recommending their first album which has Zawinul, Shorter, Vitous, Airto, and Alphonse Mouzon)


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Originally posted by js js wrote:

^ Lookout Farm is Dave Liebman's tribute to Miles' electric fusion.
If no one else has already brought it up, the first Weather Report album is in the style of Bitches Brew.


I'm a big fan of the follow up "Drum Ode" as well.
That first Weather Report album is sort of like Big Fun in a way.
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^ Lookout Farm is Dave Liebman's tribute to Miles' electric fusion.
If no one else has already brought it up, the first Weather Report album is in the style of Bitches Brew.


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A couple of albums that might be relevant that I haven't seen mentioned here would be:

Julian Priester - Love, Love
Dave Liebman - Lookout Farm
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This post is from many years ago, but I came across it when searching for other albums like Bitches Brew. 

And I can really relate as I've been looking for albums similar to Bitches Brew for 50 years! In fact this was the first jazz album I ever purchased. 

Have have collected close to 100 albums from that era that were influenced by Bitches Brew, and I like many of them, but no, nothing really comes close. 

My next favorite to Bitches Brew (also form 50 years ago) is Live at Fillmore (the original, not the reissue - edits and all). Still Kills me. And again, like all Miles, albums, nothing else quite like it. 

Ultimately it's like searching for the holy grail. And the search is futile. Instead, I broadened my scope and now my jazz collection is 5,000+ with some real masterpieces, but comparing them with Bitches Brew is futile. They are what they are. If you're always comparing, you'll never hear the brilliance of the other albums. 

That, being said, some of my other favorites of this era include:

John McLaughlin - Devotion (another one from way back when which still does it for me)

Donald Byrd - Electric Byrd and Kofi. Really wonderful spacey jams. 

John Surman - Way Back When (recorded in 1969 but lost and then finally issued in 2005. 

Frank Zappa Hot Rats. - Bitches Brew is jazz meets rock. Hot Rats is rock meets jazz. Love it. 

Nucleus - This English Band Headed by trumpeter Ian Carr (a biographer of Miles) recorded a number of fusion albums in the 70s. The live ones are best.

Joe Farrell - Joe Farrell Quintet. - Features McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Dave Holland and Jack DeJohnette. Mellow but really nice. 

Joe Zawinul - Zawinul. Beautiful album released shortly after In a Silent Way, I believe. 

Soft Machine - Both Third and Fourth float my boat. 

Elton Dean (Soft Herd) - Rogue Element - Soft Machine-ish but really good. Just got this today!

Miroslav Vitous - Infinite Search (by one of the founders of Weather Report)

Randy Weston - Blue Moses (on CTI) 

Bobby Hutcherson - Cirrus.  Contains one of my favorite songs ever, Zuri Dance. 

Jeff Beck - Blow by Blow. Jeff's fusion album. 

Elephant9 - These guys stir up some Bitches Brew flavor fusion on several of their albums. Heavy stuff that really grooves. 

Again, none of the these are really like Bitches Brew, but they are offspring, with their own charms. 

Cheers, Robert
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Originally posted by wideopenears wideopenears wrote:

 
Here are some other suggestions, though they're not going to be exactly like BB, you may find them worth checking out:
Roy Ayers-Ubiquity, Live at Montreaux
Eddie Henderson-Realization, Inside Out, Sunburst, Heritage
Joe Henderson-Black is the Color, Elements
Larry Young-Lawrence of Newark
Maybe some Les McCann--Invitation to Openness, or Layers.....maybe a bit too smooth, not "dark" enough for ya...
  
 
I finally got to hear these two, and indeed they're rather close to BB, probably due to Henderson's trumpet being the star...
 
Actually, I find them sonically closer to BB than to Mwandishi, despite the personnel being closer to Mwan
 
As for Sunburst's BB comparisons, it's a little more of a stretch, while Heritage is tagged as post bopConfused (but I haven't heard it)
 
I will explore Joe Henderson, but I saw that Black Is The Colour is not yet entered in our DB.
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oh my lord!!!! thank you so much for posting this!!!! this is the best damn thing that the Chicago scene has done in a long time, well at least since Tortoise's Beacons of Ancestorship album.......immediately ordered a copy and yes it really invokes the spirit of Bitches Brew and Big Fun!
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..and for more recent stuff influenced by this vibe, in addition to that Rypdal album, which I love, there's a bunch of Bill Laswell projects, "Arcana," and some other stuff by artists like:
 
Phantom City
Jon Hassell
 
And also Waddada Leo Smith's "Yo Miles" albums are really cool....in fact, his last two releases, which aren't "Yo Miles!" projects, but are his own bands, are definitely worth checking out!
 
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Maybe a bit late to the game, but Bitches Brew is a unique album, for sure.  Keep in mind, it was a project of studio trickery (cut and paste) as much as of the musicians involved and the "compositions" played.
 
Having said that, if you're still searching, you should check out what's called "Kozmikgroov" -- jazz/rock music from the late 60's to about 1972-3 or so, and later stuff that's influenced by that stuff.  People have mentioned some of this stuff already--Hancock's Mwandishi-to-Sextant period, before the funk hardened up a bit and the space abated, early Weather Report--first two or three albums, and the Live in Tokyo set, Donald Byrd's albums "Electric Byrd" and "Ethiopianm Knights," and all the Miles stuff you've been talking about.
 
Here are some other suggestions, though they're not going to be exactly like BB, you may find them worth checking out:
Roy Ayers-Ubiquity, Live at Montreaux
Eddie Henderson-Realization, Inside Out, Sunburst, Heritage
Joe Henderson-Black is the Color, Elements
Larry Young-Lawrence of Newark
Maybe some Les McCann--Invitation to Openness, or Layers.....maybe a bit too smooth, not "dark" enough for ya...
 
There are a bunch of other Kozmikgroov albums I can recommend, but they're more "jazz" instrumentation (Black Renaissance, Love Cry Want, Leroy Vinnegar, Bustar Williams, Alice Coltrane, Pharoah)  or "funk based" (Lonnie Liston Smith, Michael Urbaniak, early george Duke)......
 
 
 
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Originally posted by seb2112 seb2112 wrote:

Nah it's not that, I just found it too upbeat and catchy for my tastes. Maybe I haven't heard the right tracks, post a couple of your favs and I'll give them a good listen


Hmmm, what WR have you listened to? I had a similar impression of their Heavy Weather era stuff, but I Sing the Body Electric is a different league entirely.




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Originally posted by MilesBeyond MilesBeyond wrote:

Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

You won't find a carbon-copy of Bitches Brew anywhere.

But I think you should insist with listening more to the Mwandishi albums, In a Silent Way by Miles, as well as Big Fun and Get Up With It. Also, Weather Report's debut and I Sing the Body Electric.


These are what I was going to suggest. I think the WR being "smooth" comment might come from the prominence of Shorter's soprano playing, which was significantly less essential on BB. Unfortunately, thanks to the damnable Kenny G, very few people in this day and age can hear the soprano sax without thinking cheesy smooth jazz. I remember that was even my first reaction (which I have since overcome, thankfully).
Nah it's not that, I just found it too upbeat and catchy for my tastes. Maybe I haven't heard the right tracks, post a couple of your favs and I'll give them a good listen
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Originally posted by MilesBeyond MilesBeyond wrote:

Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

You won't find a carbon-copy of Bitches Brew anywhere.

But I think you should insist with listening more to the Mwandishi albums, In a Silent Way by Miles, as well as Big Fun and Get Up With It. Also, Weather Report's debut and I Sing the Body Electric.


These are what I was going to suggest. I think the WR being "smooth" comment might come from the prominence of Shorter's soprano playing, which was significantly less essential on BB. Unfortunately, thanks to the damnable Kenny G, very few people in this day and age can hear the soprano sax without thinking cheesy smooth jazz. I remember that was even my first reaction (which I have since overcome, thankfully).
Nah it's not that, I just found it too upbeat and catchy for my tastes. Maybe I haven't heard the right tracks, post a couple of your favs and I'll give them a good listen
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Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

You won't find a carbon-copy of Bitches Brew anywhere.

But I think you should insist with listening more to the Mwandishi albums, In a Silent Way by Miles, as well as Big Fun and Get Up With It. Also, Weather Report's debut and I Sing the Body Electric.


These are what I was going to suggest. I think the WR being "smooth" comment might come from the prominence of Shorter's soprano playing, which was significantly less essential on BB. Unfortunately, thanks to the damnable Kenny G, very few people in this day and age can hear the soprano sax without thinking cheesy smooth jazz. I remember that was even my first reaction (which I have since overcome, thankfully).
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by seb2112 seb2112 wrote:

Just got Miles' AGHARTA album, and it is also excellent, although not in the exacte vein of BB. Still gotta listen to Dark Magus and Pangaea


Based on what you said, you'll probably enjoy Dark Magus much more than Agharta or Pangaea. DM as more attitude.
Finally got around to listening to the otrher 2 albums today. Although Dark Magus is a very good album, I still preffer Agharta. Don't know why, it just sounds more cohesive than the other 2 albums. But all 3 are welcomed additions to my IPOD
 
But get back to the original topic, neither album has that epic feel I find in Bitches Brew. I guess BB is a unique album and I'll always have to turn to that specific album to get my fix, like Ornette Coleman's OF HUMAN FEELINGS and Milton Babbitt\s ALL SET
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Originally posted by seb2112 seb2112 wrote:

Just got Miles' AGHARTA album, and it is also excellent, although not in the exacte vein of BB. Still gotta listen to Dark Magus and Pangaea


Based on what you said, you'll probably enjoy Dark Magus much more than Agharta or Pangaea. DM as more attitude.
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Just got Miles' AGHARTA album, and it is also excellent, although not in the exacte vein of BB. Still gotta listen to Dark Magus and Pangaea
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