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Atavachron 
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I'll do that
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 10:21pm |
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I need to split for a while, if you have a second, check kazu's thread about cover tunes. The next to last entry is Bowie keyboardist Mike Garson doing an improv on an old Bowie tune. The guy is an incredible pianist.
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 10:17pm |
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I can remember a big funk festival in dallas where the security had a bunch of big garbage cans lined up to throw all the things they were getting in the pat-downs, ha ha. A lot of stuff.
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Atavachron
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 10:11pm |
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yes I snuck many a cassette deck into shows (down my pants generally); the key was a good stereo mic and a levels indicator/setting. I had a very nice Sony reporter's deck that did a good job, and I found with Prog, the louder-the-better for a strong recording. Smaller clubs were usually a bit easier than bigger arenas but you never knew when you'd get a full-body patdown or just a quick check.
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 9:57pm |
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I snuck a cassette deck into a Black Flag show when they were at their peak, two guitarists and Chuck Biscuits on drums, best rock band I have ever seen, incredibly intense. I have it on distorted cassette, they were extremely loud in a small club.
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Atavachron
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 9:50pm |
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I have a buddy who saw Coltrane in NYC in the 60s and when I asked how he liked it he said, "I'm not sure, but it was quite a thing to see."
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 9:46pm |
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Yeah, we lived near North Texas State, the big jazz school, and you got used to this kind of un-inspiring take on jazz from all the kids playing the clubs etc.
Then we hear this old Parker record and our jaws just dropped you know, so this is what be-bop was really like, it was wild and intense and the crowd was sort of joining in.
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 9:41pm |
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love those little peaks into the secret world of music, that record sounds like bootlegging at its best  |
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Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 6:30am |
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Mozart, from the classical period, was known to be a master improviser. Romantic period pianists were known to improvise their cadenza's.
Classical music became a purely written form later after the actual classical period passed. After classical music had faded from the public interest during the romantic period, preservationists sought to bring it back to the concert stage, once they brought it back to the stage, its popularity grew from there. Edited by js - 11 Jul 2011 at 7:27am |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 3:10am |
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Yeah, you're right: I'd forgotten about the Baroque period.... I did mean the classical classical and classical romantic periods ... Bach and later... (though for me Baroque music did last until the 1700's)
But from what I know of Marin Marais' music (I know Baroque is not just him, though, since even Bach and Vivaldi were considered baroque as well), it's very pompous and didn't really allow for improv
Elsewhere, in folk and medieval music, improv was common.... Edited by Sean Trane - 11 Jul 2011 at 3:25am |
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 8:18pm |
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^ you're correct, Baroque performers used something similar to today's chord charts and were expected to improvise all the details. That was Europe, in Indian classical music improv is the essence of the music.
You could probably read more about how Baroque music notation worked by googling "ground bass baroque music" . Ground bass was a notation similar to today's chord charts in that the performer was given a bass line and some interval symbols that were somewhat similar to spelling out chords. The performer was supposed to know how to improvise the music around that structure.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 8:15pm |
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I'm not sure I'd agree with this. As far as I understand, it has only been the past couple hundred years where improvisation has been removed from classical music. I've only become aware of this recently, and it's really interesting to me as well. My source is a composer family member, so I'm not incredibly confident in this fact, but it seems to be corroborate-able on the internet.
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There is no god, but music is pretty cool.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 7:36pm |
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 yep I have everyone of em's autograph and Aaron Goldberg the pianist sat at the bar with us drinking 
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 7:30pm |
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Lighting Techs gear pre 1900
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 7:29pm |
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Speaking of audience participation, my friend had this live Parker record from way back and they all must be loaded and are playing everything at break neck speed and people are yelling with the music. Very insane atmosphere, like a really good party.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 7:24pm |
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Jazz is best in a small club and no amps, especially avant-garde and/or larger ensembles.
I guess you've heard Buddy Rich's famous diatribes against his players who would move to close to the mic, ouch.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 7:20pm |
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 7:16pm |
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When I had received the lesson of the drum before, the teacher said to me. It was said that the drum and fife band that performed the march to pull military forces was at the head. Is it correct though it was said it was very dangerous because the drum and fife band doesn't have arms? It is that people actually listen live and it danced when the band that plays jazz holds the party at home or that I memorized it. It is a part of not the hall but familiar music. It was memorized I to was in the process of the development of jazz. |
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 7:06pm |
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Yep, jazz was not recorded until 1927, after it had already been around for 30 to 40 years. The earliest recordings were not by the innovators but copycats. It took awhile before they got the real jazzmen in the studio.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 6:55pm |
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New Orleans was a real pot pourri with plenty of influences , Not only did we have Afro American with the blues influence but French with Cajun, in those times it was more formal and real French and even Cuba had influence but in the 19th century the music was very formal and geared towards Classical if anything. You also had our stuff as well with the old popular songs and folk and the lot got mixed gradually to become Jazz. Anyway thats my theory with no book or net, just me came up with that.
I would have loved to have the wagons the bands that they all piled on to and go around town playing. They do it on trucks now, well Kermit Ruffins still does. Would have also loveed to have seen the old Dancehalls or bars where they played. I can tell you one thing, they did not sit around politely clapping like today which I find pretentious personally, if people start jumping around and yellin' for the band watch the band play better and the night will be great fun.
 Isn't that was Jazz is all about or music for that matter. Buddy Bolden was the man they all said that his trumpet rang around New Orleans, bloody sad by the time they recorded him he had lost his teeth  Not much chop for a trumpet....no teethEdited by Matt - 10 Jul 2011 at 6:56pm |
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