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Abraxas
JMA Collaborator Joined: 10 Mar 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1251 |
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I'm not a musician, but I think that if JMA was more crowded with "old-jazz" school fans, Monk would be an obvious choice. Besides his compositions, he had a highly original and complex approach to the piano.
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Jazz Pianist
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This is true. Thelonious's clanky chordal style has never been successfully emulated. I remember trying one of his transcribed solos and gave up halfway through because it really wasn't comfortable to play. Not technically, just didn't feel right! @Ricochet: At least he's still alive, unlike most of my idols Nevertheless, I apperciate your pain, one of the greatest living jazz pianists and he's comes by England barely at all... If he did, I'd save up. But it's probably never going to happen unless I move to Japan or stumble upon a private jet. |
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Abraxas
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Haha, that was a daring task, my friend.
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Hawkwise
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i Voted Chick
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"If you're trying to be hip, be hip." - Miles Davis
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Jazz Pianist
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Indeed! Some of the chords you take a look at and think "REALLY??????" Yep, the man was truly unique. |
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Matt
Forum Admin Group Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2525 |
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Monk is in my top five Jazz musicians and I would have him 2nd myself. Playing him right now and for my money one of the best Jazz composers ,full stop............ How many versions of "Round Midnight" and "Straight No Chaser" are out there? My favourite is "Well You Needn't" and I know that he is Bop but he laid the foundation for Avante with his structures. I hear his ghost often in that genre. I do not know what all those Jazz experts say but I have been listening to those Riverside albums for nearly 20 years now. Bloody love his music. Somebody always says this in these Polls but you missed one
"a,hum...ahhh" what about Andrew Hill
I am a fan
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Jazz Pianist
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Can't say I've ever heard Andrew Hill, I will do my research
And I agree with you on Thelonious, helped shape modern music! |
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Matt
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js
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I agree, Andrew Hill is right between AG and Post Bop.feel free to change any of his album tags that are wrong.
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Sean Trane
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I'm going to get shot for this, but AH is simply not my type of jazz (btw, his JMA discography is wayayay incomplete >> most of his later 70's albums are missing)...
just too old-school for me... even in the late 60's and early 80's, he sounded like the 50's.... Unlike most jazzmen (such as Bon Byrd), he never tried to update himself (to the point where I'm wondering why he's classified as "postbop" or even avant-garde >> sounds like an anti-nommer to me)... BTW I must say I have never heard his 70's albums I speak of above >> this will be solved in two weeks' time (got them reserved from the library system, but unfortunately they don't have Blue Black)
Soooooo, I'm basing my (uneducated) opinion on an albums like Dance With Death, which didn't strike me as really modern-sounding for its year of release (1980)
BTW, one question: what happened to him between 69 & 74?? no albums Edited by Sean Trane - 02 Jul 2011 at 3:47am |
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Abraxas
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^ Check this, and tell us what you think of it:
I think this is definitely post bop, slightly heading toward avant. And if you want some avant: I think you should really check his 60s albums, it's all pretty much quality jazz and belonging to either post bop or avant like Matt said.
Edited by Abraxas - 02 Jul 2011 at 12:00pm |
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Sean Trane
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OK, I've heard fairly recently (like the last 8 months or so):
Point Of Departure
Smokestack
Grassroot
Passing Ships
Andrew!!!
And later:
Dance With Death
I remember hearing over the last few years (so my memories are a bit fainter):
Compulsion!!!
Judgment!
Black Fire.
And to be honest, haven't heard anything more (or even close to) postbop as Coltrane or Mingus, Tyner, early Hancock or AG as Ayler, Coleman, later Trane, Shepp, Dolphy and Sun Ra
AAMOF, I don't find these AH albums more postbop than most early 60's Don Byrd albums (like Cat Walk, New perspective, In flight or Free Form... and they (JMA collabs) qualify him as hardbop
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Abraxas
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^from those Byrd albums, I've heard Free Form and New Perspective, and the former (pun not intended) is definitely Hard Bop, with the exception of the title track which is a bit more adventurous. New Perspective, not sure, I don't think it's really post bop, but it's a more ingenious style of hard bop.
If you don't remember Compulsion!!, I've posted a tube above, you really can't say that's not avant, or something that Byrd ever did.
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Sean Trane
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Oooooops, sorry! Compulsion!!! is indeed much more adventurous, it can be avant-garde. indeed
don't get me wrong here: I can hear Dolphy's "out there"playing in Point Of Departure, but he's tyhe only one , the others playing fairly standard 50's jazz
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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js
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^ ..."standard 50s jazz" is a confusing term as the 50s were extremely diverse. You had the rise of Cool and Hard Bop while some still played Bop and even Swing. The Dixieland revival kicked in big time and Afro-Cuban was at its most popular. Bossa Nova was a big hit and some people were able to keep up big swing bands while others started the whole Progressive Big Band idea. Jump blues was also very popular and about to become much more popular as it lead to rock n roll and RnB.
You would have to go back about a decade or two before you would find jazz in a style that enough people were playing that you could call it a "standard" style for that time.. The Swing era or earlier actually.
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Sean Trane
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I probably lack the sufficient words to find a better description, but it's clear that in my time-wrapped mind, I do include inside that description bossa nova and the stuff that my father was listening, from Duke to Satchmo & Ella to Illinois Jacket to Lionel Hampton and Basie etc... Generally melodic stuff (even if Bird Parker was too much for my parents and many of the public >>> not what his players were doing, but what Parker played himself)
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Jazz Pianist
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Argh the term "avant-garde" is so overused... If anything in Compulsion Andrew Hill is only breaking down personal boundries. He is expressing him self freely without the ties of harmonic law
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Abraxas
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Well then, 'free jazz' sounds better for you?
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Jazz Pianist
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Yeah man Man I sounded really pedantic... I do apologise |
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Abraxas
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Haha, no prob. I actually would have said free jazz, but since free jazz is inside Avant in here...
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