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    Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 3:47pm

How many members of a jazz ensemble is your perferred number?

Doesn't matter what instruments make up the group (though if you prefer a certain type of trio/quartet/etc please feel free to say so) nor does it matter what type of jazz music it is.  
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I like the big bands: Don Ellis, Duke Ellington, Sun Ra, Fletcher Henderson, Count Basie etc., but not too fond of that square ass stuff like Glen Miller etc.
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Dectet? Right term is Peter Brotzmann Chicago Tentet.

My answer, too. Wink

Joke aside, piano trio, I guess, given Jarrett-Peacock-DeJohnnette or E.S.T.

EDIT: Now that JS mentioned it, big bands would be among my least favourite.


Edited by Ricochet - 14 Jun 2011 at 4:13pm

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 4:25pm
Quartet for me but I do have a thing for trio's ..... sax, bass and drum trio's that is.
You get to hear them streeeeeeeeeetch out Sax man
 
 
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I find jazz duos extremely interesting, the personalities of each musitian shows and the relationship between them becomes apparant.
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Trio! You know whyWink. But I like quartets and quintets too.
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I go to trio. It might be a little insufficient at the chance of the call and response. However, it can enjoy each musician's capability. Three keeps harmony and balance.
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Originally posted by Matt Matt wrote:

You get to hear them streeeeeeeeeetch out Sax man
 
 


Yep, trios for me for this reason
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote idlero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 2:07am
I think it's a matter of quality and not quantity
Koln Concerto is the best example
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
 
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
 
 
 
 


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Okay, one shade of yellow is hell enough on our eyes.  Please don't use 4.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
 
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
 
 
 
 
could not dissagree more! a soloist or a duo or a trio can be just as interesting as a larger band. Jazz is a genre that is all about the individual making their own mark and not the band. Why else would jazz radio be the only radio that names off every player on a piece rather than just mentioning the band name. It all has to do with the quality of each of the individuals involved and not on the number.
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Originally posted by Freddie Freeloader Freddie Freeloader wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
 
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
 
 
 
 
could not dissagree more! a soloist or a duo or a trio can be just as interesting as a larger band. Jazz is a genre that is all about the individual making their own mark and not the band. Why else would jazz radio be the only radio that names off every player on a piece rather than just mentioning the band name. It all has to do with the quality of each of the individuals involved and not on the number.
 
Some jazz specialist do, when they speak of a band, indeed.
 
But jazz has been about individualities much more so than rock, and a lot of albums are individualities' collaboration where the names are all spelled-out on the front cover
 
However the numerous Johnette-Hollannd albums could've had a project/band name
 
When a radio plays Return To Forever, they don't mention Joe Farrell or Lenny White....
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Freddie Freeloader Freddie Freeloader wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

While there are interesting trios, I'm not all that in favour of them, because it's kind of too repetitive and reduces the spectrum of possibilities and doesn't allow for many variety combinations...
 
I find that for jazz, quintets are are the minimum if there are wind instruments (despite Coltrane's legendary quartet), but if there are two horns, than the sextet should be the ideal, because I can't see modern groups without a keyboardist or a guitarist.
 
 
 
 
could not dissagree more! a soloist or a duo or a trio can be just as interesting as a larger band. Jazz is a genre that is all about the individual making their own mark and not the band. Why else would jazz radio be the only radio that names off every player on a piece rather than just mentioning the band name. It all has to do with the quality of each of the individuals involved and not on the number.
 
Some jazz specialist do, when they speak of a band, indeed.
 
But jazz has been about individualities much more so than rock, and a lot of albums are individualities' collaboration where the names are all spelled-out on the front cover
 
However the numerous Johnette-Hollannd albums could've had a project/band name
 
When a radio plays Return To Forever, they don't mention Joe Farrell or Lenny White....
 
 
 
 
this is true but the spirit of RTF is far more rock oriented than jazz oriented in my opinion. All the musos are jazz players but the style is verry much rock. Sound very composed to me atleast. (note that I only have one album) Honestly I find most 70s fusion quite boring. not messy enough for me.
 
To me jazz is not about cohesive units but about the clash of personalities and the individual shining through. One can always recognise Coltrane or Miles or Monk regardless of if their name is on a CD. The same can not always be said of rock players (a lot of prog is an exception to this rule) even if you can identify the band.
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Sextet for me. The ideal band for me would be piano, drums, bass, guitar, a horn player and a sax player. The texture variety would be absolutely perfect to my ears, not the mention the harmony capabilities and the opportunities for fours between the two lead players.
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Originally posted by Jazz Pianist Jazz Pianist wrote:

Sextet for me. The ideal band for me would be piano, drums, bass, guitar, a horn player and a sax player. The texture variety would be absolutely perfect to my ears, not the mention the harmony capabilities and the opportunities for fours between the two lead players.
 
 
 
Exactly!! the first Nucleus line-up is really so awesome let's count Jenkins as mainly a KB man in this case)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jazz Pianist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2011 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Jazz Pianist Jazz Pianist wrote:

Sextet for me. The ideal band for me would be piano, drums, bass, guitar, a horn player and a sax player. The texture variety would be absolutely perfect to my ears, not the mention the harmony capabilities and the opportunities for fours between the two lead players.
 
 
 
Exactly!! the first Nucleus line-up is really so awesome let's count Jenkins as mainly a KB man in this case)


Haha I didn't think of Nucleus actually.

I actually jammed out There Will Never Be Another You at a club in Birmingham the other day to this lineup and I can safely say it was one of the most energetic jams I've ever had the pleasure of being involved in!
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Interesting results thus far.
 
I do enjoy the larger ensembles myself. Nothing against the trios/quartets but I like alot of sound and alot of different type of sound, which you get in the larger groups.
 
Just for the hell of it, I voted for Duodecet, but really anything from Septet/Octet upwards in great.
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Trio is fav for me. I often think of Bill Evans when I think of the trio.   Other times, when I want a wider base of sounds, I'd go maybe as high as a quintet.   And sometimes only a Big Band will do.
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It depends on what mood I'm in, but generally quintet.
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