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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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Like many of you, I know some jazz but I have major problems operating with the genres. Therefore, I am officially requesting the more knowledgeable members to recommend me one or maximum two quintessentially representative albums for each of the following genres:
Hard Bop Post Bop Post Fusion Contemporary Eclectic Fusion This shall do for the moment. Thanks in advance! ![]() |
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34714 |
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For the Post 70s Eclectic Fusion I would recommend Power Tools, the new Terje Rypdal album, (something about Crime, I forget the title), and Medeski Martin and Wood. The Blood Ulmer album 'Free Lancing' is easily one of his best. There are reviews up for all of those.
For Post Bop, any of the Miles Quintet albums and Herbie's 'Speak Like a Child'. |
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snobb ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Vilnius Status: Offline Points: 29003 |
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For post-fusion contemporary jazz I always thought non-fusion Hiromi's albums were a best example. We had plenty of discussions on her music there, and I know you don't like her music in general, so I would say another good example for me is one of Jason Moran's Bandwagon's album.
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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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Thanks John. I know and like Rypdal's Crime Scene. With this album and with Led Bib's Sensible Shoes, which I see is also Eclectic Fusion, I think am already starting to understand the idea behind this category.
![]() Interestingly, I see you mentioned Zorn twice in the Eclectic Fusion definition, but only one of his albums is tagged as Eclectic Fusion, and that one only has a ** review. Should I skip Zorn from my discovery of Eclectic Fusion? ![]() |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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Thanks Slava. I promised to check out at least one full Hiromi album before declaring I'm officially not interested, so I might try one. I heard Jason Moran's Ten and wasn't thrilled with it, is Bandwagon better? |
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34714 |
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Re Zorn: I would recommend Zorn's band Naked City. That is the band that caused us to create Post 70s Eclectic Fusion, I just couldn't see putting that band with 70s fusion bands.
Naked City has its own entry.
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snobb ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Vilnius Status: Offline Points: 29003 |
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^^ Hmm, I am not a right person to recommend
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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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Interesting, I always thought Naked City are considered avant-jazz. But I've heard only one album (the self-titled one).
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34714 |
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They play everything, sometimes in one song, ha, I saw them live, they were incredible and I'm not much of a Zorn fan usually.
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darkshade ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 1973 |
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Post Bop / Miles Davis - "E.S.P", "Miles Smiles", "Sorcerer". They have occasional avant moments (to my ears)
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Kazuhiro ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Location: Tokyo, Japan Status: Offline Points: 3776 |
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Then, may I think that I have Post Bop and implications by Modal Jazz?
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Sean Trane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 789 |
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if I've known of Hard Bop, I've never heard of post-bop....and to be quite frank, I've always heard of BeBop and not Bop
And these jazz-related and those fusion categories are not only confusing (despite the definitions), but disputable as well... I don't want to make an issue about this though...
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harmonium.ro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Kobaia Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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^ you are making an issue already
![]() We have multi-tagging here, just look at the profile of an artist with a more diverse discography, like Miles Davis for example. |
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triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 488 |
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Alex, if you are still looking for genre representative album, by now the tops in the categories should be a decent indication
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darkshade ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 1973 |
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the term "post-bop" has been around for a long time. "Bop" is just another way to say "Be-bop" so it's all the same. I agree some of the genre decriptions are confusing, but Ive come to understand them a little better over time. |
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darkshade ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 1973 |
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I kind of disagree, the charts for each sub-genre are in need of a few more ratings and reviews, I dont feel they are accurate just yet. |
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snobb ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Vilnius Status: Offline Points: 29003 |
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^ Even more - for many and many artists and genres they need a lot more ratings to become more or less representative
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triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 488 |
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But, for the particular ones Alex was inquiring about, I see many albums I think of as representative of the genres in the top rated. That may be partly due to my own ratings ![]() |
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AtomicCrimsonRush ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Apr 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 69 |
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I kind of liked this manic thing
Hard Bop
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A bit of cool with Charlie Parker
and also a classic with legends Davis, and Hancock
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34714 |
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Although that is a sort of relaxed piece for a Bop tune, Charlie Parker doesn't play Cool, he plays Bop.
If you want Cool, check out Gerry Mulligan or Chet Baker. Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie are the essence of Bop.
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