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darkshade 
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Man Ive been hearing a lot of negative reviews of ZPZ lately, mostly due to Dweezil's playing. I saw them when they opened for Dream Theater back in 2009, and I thought it was good, though a little underwhelming.
I do kind of think it's a good idea for Dweezil to take a break from ZPZ, especially since they don't seem to branch out to other of Frank's material (which I understand to a degree). |
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Moshkito
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Posted: 26 Sep 2011 at 8:27pm |
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Hi,
I just posted a review of the ZPZ/RTF show in Eugene, Oregon on Sept 23rd, 2011 on the part of this board that deals with Live interviews.
I have to tell you that while I love a lot of Frank's material, that Dweezil's playing and shows are losing the feeling and I think that, while it is better and softer for the general public, in the end, it will probably make this whole thing redundant and forgetten along the wayside of some road to nowhere land.
If I was dad, I would have ripped my son for the work they did.
I guess that's the difference between an artist and everyone else, son or daughter included! Comparison is over and I think it is time Dweezil pulls the umbilical cord! Edited by Moshkito - 26 Sep 2011 at 8:28pm |
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... And then one day, the prophet said that you and I would know what is art ... and real!
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seb2112
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Posted: 21 Aug 2011 at 1:19pm |
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Posted: 20 Aug 2011 at 7:54am |
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darkshade
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Posted: 19 Aug 2011 at 5:15pm |
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and with that trilogy there are the extensions with Wazoo (2008), and Imaginary Diseases (2006), both albums are from his '72 tour
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seb2112
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Hot Rats was my 2nd Fusion album, BITCHES BREW bring the first. I was a fan of his APOSTROPHE album since I was 16 but it took 10 years before I heard his jazz music. He has a holy trinity of jazz for his legacy, completed by gradn wazoo and waka/jawaka
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This is what I think: he had a rare talent in making you think you were listening to either funk, fusion, rock, r&b, jazz, avant, when you were actually listening to classical.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 8:24pm |
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Frank had a rare talent in making you think you were listening to rock when in deed you were listening to jazz.
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darkshade
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 5:47pm |
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As someone who wasn't around in the 70s, the lyrics/singing doesn't start to bother me until after 1979 with Joe's Garage (I always thought it was the album he put his foot down with the problems he had with society/politics).
The 80s albums, though, are hit-or-miss lyrically for me. I'm glad he decided to go back to the music with his '88 band. It's too bad that band couldn't have lasted longer. At least he only worked on music after that. Unfortunately he was diagnosed with cancer not long after that, so he didn't have a lot of time to complete more albums (there was a lot of unfinished stuff he was working on) |
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 3:01pm |
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Hi,
On Guy Guden's blog, there is one where he discusses Frank Zappa, and what had become of him. In the end, it would come back to hurt him, despite the great music, which he himself, sometimes, did not believe in. I think he was bored and that was one way for him to have some fun ... but yeah ... it does get nerve wrecking and boring after a while.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 2:49pm |
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 , because it's a compilation of his "rare" live guitar solos all gathered ion one disc to make the male teenagers drool over his guitar on top of his smut!!!
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Who was he referring to when he said "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar"?
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Sean Trane
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Unfortunately he returned very quickly to an even worse kind of scatological and teenage lust humour as soon as Apostrophe until Joe's Garage
Yup, he sold lotsa records to zitty male kids in search of losing their virginity in the late 70's... I knowthis because I had a lot of schoolmates into Overnight Sheik's Garage era, mainly because of the texts and guitar heroics (hemerroids
 ) needless to say it didn't work well for them, because most girls hated Zappa and stayed clear of anyone who liked him . |
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Moshkito
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 at 8:27pm |
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I always ahd the thought that Frank might have been more responsible for fusion that we give him credit for, although as mentioned above, there are times when one album is enough ... and I would suggest that the lyrics are the culprit here.
But if one can shut that off a bit, yeah, there is some seriously good music and the compositional ability is very good and way up and above a lot of folks that were known for "fusion", as this guy was fusing a lot more than just jazz and rock ... a heck of a lot more that we could handle, and still can't!
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Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 5:45pm |
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I approach him with caution cos he can go from genius -
Zoot Allures - Zappa In New York -
to stupidity
- Joes Garage
However Zappa is definitely legendary and indispensable to the jazz fusion movement
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Still got all his vinyls from the first up to "Zappa in New York" plus some bootlegs.
I've seen him twice, first at Hamburg 1974 and then at Hannover in 1976. This is from the Hannover-concert: http://www.ottosell.de/zappa/images/zappa-pudel.jpg image: Otto Sell Edited by Otto126 - 20 Apr 2011 at 4:42am |
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My first experience was The Grand Wazoo followed by Hot Rats and I was infected. Fantastic stuff. Since then I have collected a good cross section of Zappa/Mothers material. Currently oozing over Yellow Shark.
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I have one of his double live albums on CD. It's wonderful.
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