|
Top Afro Cuban Samples |
Post Reply 
|
Page <123> |
| Author | |
Matt 
Forum Admin Group 
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote Reply
 Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 3:07pm |
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
 |
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 12:53pm |
|
I really liked those first two, definitely recognize that sound. Those two also use the mixolydian scale mentioned earlier common to early reggae and African rhumbas etc.
For those who may not know the term, the mixolydian mode usually involves a repeating chord progression in which the root chord goes to the chord a whole step below and back and forth. A real common example is the repeating chords that open the famous hit "Tequila". On "Dundunbanza" it was G to F, a favorite reggae "riddim", often called "Stagalog" in Jamaica. On "Tanga" it was C to Bb. Hey Matt, "Lugrianas negras" is in a totally different style than the other two, what style is it, and what style are the other two?
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 8:59pm |
|
Next is Miguel Matamoros with song recorded early days as Trio Matamoros and it his first take of his famous song "Lagrimas Negras" which he composed himself and sang as well as played guitar within the trio. The other two members being Siro Rodriguez ( 2nd voice and guitar) and Rafael Cueto ( guitar and choir...backing vocal)
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 8:51pm |
|
This one of Machito ( Frank Grillo) and His Afro Cubans is none other than the Mario Bauza composition "Tanga" recorded 14/11/1950 with another recorded in November the following year at Birdland.
Mario Bauza ( trumpet) was Machito's right hand man and worked with him to near the end.
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 8:31pm |
|
Todays music additions
First up the great Cuban tres player who was actually blind after being kicked in the face by a mule as a child being Arsenio Rodriguez and his songs are still performed today in contempary manners by many a Latin musician.
Arsenio though was the man who ushered in the great Cuban format of "The Conjunto" during the mid to late forties. Previous to that it was either an Orchestra or duos and trios. Where as you may question Sexteto Habenero they did not use the instruments that are within a conjunto being guitar,tres and percussion primarily. A Conjunto consists of Congas, bongos or perhaps timbales today, piano, trumpet or trumpets, tres, guitar, bass and vocalists.
This man is the real deal and one of the greatest musicians. One may laugh at the comparison but he is the Cuban Hank Williams and recognised as such within the Latin community.
One other note another thing that does have similarities is Bluegrass started in a similar manner in the late forties from duos etc to till Bill Monroes construction of a typical Bluegrass band but today it is Cuban Conjuntos
This track is "Dundunbanza" recorded in Cuba 1/12/1949
A superb young "Chocolate" Armenteros is on trumpet in the conjunto who is all over many of the Sar recordings in the seventies.
Edited by Matt - 30 Jun 2012 at 8:33pm |
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 4:39pm |
 That is where I got my first copy of Franco's "Mario"
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 4:31pm |
|
Sounds good Matt, I'll check it out. Right now I'm listening to a bunch of Afro-Pop I recorded off the radio in SF back in the 80s, wonderful stuff. The radio shows out there were the best.
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 4:23pm |
|
"Blen, Blen " is rumba/afro. The claves were originally the sailing ship pegs that they used for percussion as it was illegal to play hand drums in Cuba up till the mid sixties. I think the colonists there thought that all the slaves would revert to savagery and eat the lot of em' "Cuba and It's Music" by Ned Sublette ( Thread under books on site) is a wealth of info on Afro Cuban. The majority of the material that I know came from that book with also the notes on the Tumbao Cuban Classics label. I have them all right up to Cat no. 117......yep a hundred and seventeen discs plus their Chano Set, Beny More, Arsenio Rodriguez and Sexteto Habanero who became Septeto when they added another. (First recorded examples of Son between 1924 and 27).
I will start a thread on Latin particulary Afro Cuban sub genres but will need to prep it here for a day ot two before posting as it could become a mess if I start doing with posts. Once it is up it is hard to re-adjust if something is missed or incorrect
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 6:10pm |
|
Yeah, lets break down the son sub genres and talk about the claves. I hear Blen Blen going tick ..tick ..tick ..tick tick.
But I couldn't tell what was happening in the others.
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 5:50pm |
|
Another great thing is how the African music first infiltrated Cuba during the slave period and mixed with Spanish but was then taken back to Africa in the forties till now and mixed with their music which brings us to a lot of contempary styles of African music. I am off to the footy soon but will start a thread if you like on the various genres and sub genres of African, Carribean, and Latin. You just don't realise how many there are.
Will also do a breakdown which will take a little time on the Son sub genres, Bolero. Guajira, Pregon, Afro Cubana, Son and the list goes on. How to pick them and with examples.
You realise John that nobody here at home talks to me much about music. They reckon I can be a crashing bore
See you tomorrow Edited by Matt - 29 Jun 2012 at 5:54pm |
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 5:24pm |
|
That's interesting. I think the musicologists over play Dizzy's contributions. The Cubans were already playing jazz, he just picked up on what was already there.
All those mixolydian (major key with flat 7) type riffs in songs like Blen Blen will show up later in Jamaican ska/rock steady music. I love that connection between those two musics. I know you can hear it, its the sound of the island culture.
Edited by js - 29 Jun 2012 at 5:47pm |
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 5:09pm |
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 4:51pm |
|
" Blen Blen Blen" is just incredible, I know this one well, that sound is something else.
All three of these examples had a lot of jazz, were these sons before Dizzy's work with Chano, or after?
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 4:40pm |
|
Chano Pozo's "Blen Blen Blen". (1939) Does not get anymore classic than this for Cuban music.
Miguelito Valdes, vocals
Listen to that old sound
 Now this one was a smash hit for Lucille Ball's hubbie, Desi Arnez but it was Miguelito Valdes who actually made it his signature song. Recorded a few versions with the first being Casino De La Playa ( 1937 to 44 in that time span) and it was fairly formal but with each new version to follow things started to loosen up as with this one
Beny More often termed as the greatest sonero to hail from Cuba and with good reason. he personifies the island with its culture and music. He did a lot of Mexican films which most likely is the source for so many of his available music clips, just like this one going up.
"Ya Son Las Doce"
Would have been filmed around the mid to late fities in Mexico
None of this music is post 1960. All came before with Beny being the most modern of them.
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 10:32pm |
|
Reminds me of the 80s. Before there was smooth jazz, there was "Dinner Jazz".
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 10:27pm |
 . Surely I can find some Beny More though or Chano Pozo.
"The Buena Vista Social Club" is one superb cover of many a great Cuban number. When I bought the album with the first Afro Cuban All Stars release (as they were released together) I loved them. They kinda slaughtered the album for me though with it's popularity and they day I heard it described as Dinner Table Music
 |
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 9:41pm |
|
I love "Acid" its on many of my mix tapes. I need to get the full CD, I'm a little short right now, but maybe in a few months.
I have an idea, if you want, post some basic sons so we can start this at the roots and get an understanding of where this all starts. Then work our way up from there.
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 9:33pm |
|
Okay this treat is Ray Barretto. Not you can't say much about Ray except he has done practically the lot before he passed away 6 years ago. I love his pre-eighties material the best with the slamming Salsa and Jazz all over it. Ray did even Jazz albums which was where he was more so at the end but the early stuff is a lot more slamming,wild and full on. Just how I like my Latin music.
Ray often pops up on those old Blue Note releases as a sideman with I suppose the most well known album being Kenny Burrell's, "Midnight Blue". Not Bad hey!
Ray also got stuck into the Boogaloo but this one below is almost psychedelic and not Bogaloo but all great Afro Cuban Jazz..............."Acid"
This one has that beautiful seventies feel with the string addition. Roberto Roena's number ten album "El Progreso". He did a similar Chicago thing by numbering his albums.
Title track "El Progreso"
I have been known to play this five times in a row. Fabulously presented and crafted. Listen to the timbale slam which only happens a few times just before the chorus. It is those little things that are all added to make this one cracker of a song which always keeps you hearing something new. It even has wah ,wah guitar under riding it at times. Particulary near the end. As I said fabulous with the absolutely included.
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
Matt
Forum Admin Group
Jazz Reviewer Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 9:07pm |
|
|
|
Matt
|
|
|
|
|
js
Forum Admin Group
Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 34211 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 6:21pm |
|
Charley Palmieri sounds great as usual, but I believe your third sample is the same as the second one.
Good examples of style differences there, post some more, this thread could make a good reference.
|
|
|
|
|
Post Reply
|
Page <123> |
Tweet
|
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Topic Options
Matt wrote:
Actually in Cuba a slave could buy his own freedom with the system they had but getting the money to do it was another matter.