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Originally posted by js js wrote:

I've been reading Ted Gioia's history of jazz and its interesting how Latin and African rhythms intersect throughout history, starting with the North African invasion of Spain and so on.
The earliest jazz musicians in New Orleans were supposedly influenced by Mexican calvary band etc.

It would seem the Latin and African rhythms are already tangled together long before you get to Afro-Cuban jazz. Afro-Cuban jazz is just more synthesis of previous synthesises 
Oh yeah John, Mali, Guinean and Senegal bands went to Cuba in the fifties and brought it back which explains Bembeya Jazz and Orchestra Baobab's sound as two examples. Heaps of west Afican influenced Cuban stuff no to mention African Rhumba from the Congo
 
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I've been reading Ted Gioia's history of jazz and its interesting how Latin and African rhythms intersect throughout history, starting with the North African invasion of Spain and so on.
The earliest jazz musicians in New Orleans were supposedly influenced by Mexican calvary band etc.

It would seem the Latin and African rhythms are already tangled together long before you get to Afro-Cuban jazz. Afro-Cuban jazz is just more synthesis of previous synthesises 
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I have to agree, the formal dances are not my thing either, I'm thinking I'm a mambo man Cool
Now ya talkin'  John, gotta have those congas and bongos Approve
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I have to agree, the formal dances are not my thing either, I'm thinking I'm a mambo man Cool
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^ very Spanish, and I think I hear some similarities to the Tango?
Ah, you have me not being a real Tango fan. Where is Pablo? He should be a Tango expert after all he comes from the home of it. You can hear that Tango pluck that they have though, esp. at the commencement. The early Tango I have heard is very formal. I will admit since I am not a big fan I could not tell the difference between a milonga and a vals or a habenero for that matter. I have a friend who loves it. She is Italian which is no surprise with why she enjoys it so much.
 
Another Italian friend told me when they immigrated to Australia the other choice to where they were going was Argentina but she arrived here when she was two. I have known her since I was fourteen as she is my best mates wife. He was similar but came from Malta as a baby and cannot remember his homeland but then again he does not seem that interested when over the years I have asked him about it. More concerned with the footy LOL
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^ very Spanish, and I think I hear some similarities to the Tango?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 3:23pm
Does it get anymore older. Recorded music was barely of the ground and here in 1914 with troubadour Maria Teresa Vera,  Rafael Zequeira and some guitar help from the composer Manuel Corona who appeared on many of her recordings assisting early days as Rafael Zequeira did not play guitar but only sang vocals. They recorded 193 titles together until he passed away in 1924. 
 
One of her first but not the very first recording from her. That was "Tere" with "Vela" on the old flip. 1914 as well
 
Trova is the style, you can say it is early Son but this is country/rural Cuban music delivered in that classic accoustic style.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

Based on the samples provided, I'm guessing that "El Manisero" is based on Guaracha rhythms, not Son.
Correct?
John it is Son/Pregon. The original has a more traditional Cuban sound (1930), Don Aziazu's Orchestra was behind him.  I actually prefer the original but was not available on YouTube. Yesterday before I went out I was trying to put up some Maria Teresa Vera from pre 1920's. There is some stuff but not what I was looking for  ( with Rafael Zequeira) but I will find something that can be used.. That is the old "Trova"...........rural style....accoustic. tres, guitar and vocals. I am bleeding there is no Cheo Marquetti tunes ( Conjunto that played glorious sleazy Son)...........he was awesome I may come across something though while going through You Tube over time yet.
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Based on the samples provided, I'm guessing that "El Manisero" is based on Guaracha rhythms, not Son.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 5:48pm
Originally posted by js js wrote:

You go Matt, I'll check all these later, I have young students to deal with now.
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You go Matt, I'll check all these later, I have young students to deal with now.
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Next is the "Cha Cha Cha' with this being the first actually recorded in Cuba 1953. Ninon Mondejar was the leader of Orquesta America and actually The Cha Cha Cha is from a Danzon formula with a rythmn change and boy did it take off.  The Cha Cha Cha is known as classic  Latin music today as soon as the sound is heard. The video lists it as a Charanga which is what the orquestra played previously with a more French leaning but this is Cha Cha Cha number 1. The actual name of the tune is "La Verde Palma"
 
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Perez Prado was the man who came up with 'The Mambo" He originally replaced Anselmo Sacasas on piano in the early forties in Casino De la Playa. He hit the rythmn by doodling on the piano so the story goes but there were many late night Jam sessions with the band.
 
Perez's own words "Keep it clean a and punchy, with shouting brass and diamond bright percussion" and another term he used was "The Mambo was Afro-Cuban rhythmns with a dash of American Swing"
 
Mambo No. 5 originally recorded in Cuba between 1947 and 1949. This one is a little bit later but still very close
 
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This one is a Guaracha and there is no better person to sing them than the great Celia Cruz and great really is an understatement for Celia, she could sing with one fabulous powerful voice, but here it is early days and this recording was done in Cuba betweeen 1951 to 53 with La Sonora Matancera.
 
Celia's  music is not for sale in Cuba due to political rubbish.
 
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

I really liked those first two, definitely recognize that sound. Those two also use the mixolydian scale mentioned earlier common to early reggae and African rhumbas etc.
For those who may not know the term, the mixolydian mode usually involves a repeating chord progression in which the root chord goes to the chord a whole step below and back and forth. A real common example is the repeating chords that open the famous hit "Tequila".
On "Dundunbanza" it was G to F, a favorite reggae "riddim", often called "Stagalog" in Jamaica. On "Tanga" it was C to Bb.

Hey Matt, "Lugrianas negras" is in a totally different style than the other two, what style is it, and what style are the other two?
Great stuff John having a musician here certainly helps. I only know the basic notes that I learnt at school. Fab stuff. The rest I have just picked up over 50 years by ear.Confused well maybeWink
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I will be listing the definitions for the rythmn and lyrics in another thread soon. I will admit I have not started ( a little last night) but just starting to organise but if I know as the samples come up I will list what they are. As the music becomes more contempary it gets a lot harder and actually impossible to list many as they are a mix at times of many or Western influence's permeate.
 One other note it is not just the timing or construction but it is the lyrical content which picks what they as in a "Pregon" which is actually named after street sellers crys to sell or an announcement and usually has a Son or Guaracha structure for the rythmn.
 
Talking about Pregon's, this one is the great Antonio Machin doing the most famous of them all
 
"El Manisero"  ( The Peanut Vendor). this one is is live but I have no idea where from but the original was recorded 1930 in New York. Could even be Spain because that is where he finished up at the end.
 
 


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Originally posted by Matt Matt wrote:

Next is Miguel Matamoros with song recorded early days as Trio Matamoros and it his first take of his famous song "Lagrimas Negras" which he composed himself and sang as well as played guitar within the trio.  The other two members being Siro Rodriguez ( 2nd voice and guitar) and Rafael Cueto ( guitar and choir...backing vocal)
 
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Originally posted by Matt Matt wrote:

Todays music additions
 
First up the great Cuban tres player who was actually blind after being kicked in the face by a mule as a child being Arsenio Rodriguez and his songs are still performed today in contempary manners by many a Latin musician.
 
Arsenio though was the man who ushered in the great Cuban format of "The Conjunto" during the mid to late forties. Previous to that it was either an Orchestra or duos and trios. Where as you may question Sexteto Habenero they did not use the instruments that are within a conjunto being guitar,tres and percussion primarily. A Conjunto consists of Congas, bongos or perhaps timbales today,  piano, trumpet or trumpets, tres, guitar, bass and vocalists.
 
This man is the real deal and one of the greatest musicians. One may laugh at the comparison but he is the Cuban Hank Williams and recognised as such within the Latin community.
 
One other note another thing that does have similarities is Bluegrass started in a similar manner in the late forties from duos etc to till Bill Monroes construction of a typical Bluegrass band but today it is Cuban Conjuntos
 
This track is "Dundunbanza" recorded in Cuba 1/12/1949
 
A superb young "Chocolate" Armenteros is on trumpet in the conjunto who is all over many of the Sar recordings in the seventies.
 
 
 
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