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Poll Question: Which album do you like the most?
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    Posted: 21 Dec 2011 at 4:57pm
Ok, hopefully I'll make a trend of these polls focusing now on Free Jazz which I'm listening quite a lot lately, not necessarily liking it all haha, but I'm in the mood for it.

So it's two huge albums, Ascension and Free Jazz, which one do you like the most?

You can also mention another free jazz album by these artists that you like better.
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"Free Jazz" for me. I find Ascension to be mostly un-listenable (though I admit, it's been a long time since I threw that one on). Free Jazz has more of a pastoral feel and is more "accessible" if you will.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

"Free Jazz" for me. I find Ascension to be mostly un-listenable (though I admit, it's been a long time since I threw that one on). Free Jazz has more of a pastoral feel and is more "accessible" if you will.

Any Trane album you like from his free jazz era?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote js Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2011 at 5:16pm
"Free Jazz", one of the coolest jazz records ever, I have a review up for it too.
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Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

"Free Jazz" for me. I find Ascension to be mostly un-listenable (though I admit, it's been a long time since I threw that one on). Free Jazz has more of a pastoral feel and is more "accessible" if you will.

Any Trane album you like from his free jazz era?


Well, any Coltrane that Ive listened to in the last year or two, has been pre-1965 albums (including A Love Supreme).

But from what I remember, besides A Love Supreme, I enjoyed First Meditations, One Down, One Up: Live at the Half Note (which I believe is from '66(?)), and Transition. Those are the only later Coltrane albums I own/heard. Sometime this winter I'm sure I'll dust off some of those albums and throw them on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2011 at 5:46pm
Ornie for me CoolSax man 
 
To be honest I do not like Coltrane's last albums much. Loses me around about 1967.


Edited by Matt - 21 Dec 2011 at 5:48pm
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Abraxas Abraxas wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

"Free Jazz" for me. I find Ascension to be mostly un-listenable (though I admit, it's been a long time since I threw that one on). Free Jazz has more of a pastoral feel and is more "accessible" if you will.

Any Trane album you like from his free jazz era?


Well, any Coltrane that Ive listened to in the last year or two, has been pre-1965 albums (including A Love Supreme).

But from what I remember, besides A Love Supreme, I enjoyed First Meditations, One Down, One Up: Live at the Half Note (which I believe is from '66(?)), and Transition. Those are the only later Coltrane albums I own/heard. Sometime this winter I'm sure I'll dust off some of those albums and throw them on.

I see, we pretty much coincide on this. I also really like First Meditations and Transition, since they actually keep up the post-bop of previous years. 

I'll have to re-listen to Free Jazz to make my opinion, but yeah, Ascension is pretty noisy!
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Here's my number one.
 
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Both albums sound like the same music to me. Joking aside. Free Jazz of Coleman will be an important album. I think that the listener who is interested in AG Jazz may make a model of this album.
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Originally posted by Matt Matt wrote:

Here's my number one.
 

That'll be in another poll... Wink
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Not alot of love for the noisy Coltrane eh?
 
I'll vote there. Free Jazz is fun and all but Asecension just seems more intense to me, and thats what I ike in my free jazz.
 
I do need more late Trane though.
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well, while I will re-evaluate Ornette's works in the coming months, there is no way I can not vote for Trane
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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Personally I like them both, But Free Jazz was the first I really got into, it is indeed more accessible, A great way to prime your ears for harder to digest stuff, Ascension really is fantastic, Coltrane makes Coleman sound like an amateur in my opinion, but that is the charm of Coleman's music and sound for me, Listen to Coleman's  Trumpet Playing on Jackie McLeans's New and old Gospel album, you will cringe the first time you hear it.

If you really want your mind blown, you must hear Peter Brotzmann's Machine Gun, 1968 was the year, you won't believe your ears, Then again, You might need a month away from Music after you do listen to it.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote snobb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2011 at 9:54am
For me both are of the same level - Ornette's is revolutionary and more interesting than pleasant, Coltrane's is quirky and twisted. No vote
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Originally posted by darkprinceofjazz darkprinceofjazz wrote:

 

If you really want your mind blown, you must hear Peter Brotzmann's Machine Gun, 1968 was the year, you won't believe your ears, Then again, You might need a month away from Music after you do listen to it.





Vandermark and Gustafsson continue this tradition LOL
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I need another 5-10 years of jazz listening before I dare to dig these
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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^ sounds optimistic LOL
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^ well, I reckon that if it took me 10 years to dig 'Kind Of Blue', now that I'm listening more intense to jazz, 5-10 years might be enough...Wink
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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Originally posted by darkprinceofjazz darkprinceofjazz wrote:


If you really want your mind blown, you must hear Peter Brotzmann's Machine Gun, 1968 was the year, you won't believe your ears, Then again, You might need a month away from Music after you do listen to it.

 
I saw Brotzmann's Full Blast group at Carmeaux' 2010 RIO fest, and he's still a little too much. (for me anyway)... that doublefree-sax attack is awesome (but I'm not sure it was in the positive term of the expression
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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Originally posted by darkprinceofjazz darkprinceofjazz wrote:



If you really want your mind blown, you must hear Peter Brotzmann's Machine Gun, 1968 was the year, you won't believe your ears, Then again, You might need a month away from Music after you do listen to it.




 
Easily the best free jazz album I've heard. Nothing I've found has even matched it's intensity.
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