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    Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 11:42pm
...and the Sinner Lady.  

Comments, please, on Mingus' extraordinary work of orchestration.   Unorthodox even for modern jazz, deeply influential, and touching on almost every style of jazz known, in The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, he gave us a treasure trove to look into for years.







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Charles Mingus?
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

Charles Mingus?
 
You mean it's not Coltrane?? TongueLOL
 
I simply adore Black Saint and Lady Sinner, but I must admit that it's the only one of that genre in Chuck's discography..
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....

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whoops.. Mingus not Monk, too much whiskey

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^ Two of my favorites. Anyway, I don't have Black saint, but I have heard it recommended so many times that I will have to get it some day.
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I have finished just listening to this album. I think that the influence that I received in addition to the ambitious character that Mingus had by Duke Ellington fuses wonderfully. I think that it is the album that an elegant part and slight aggressiveness are felt.
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Originally posted by js js wrote:

^ Two of my favorites. Anyway, I don't have Black saint, but I have heard it recommended so many times that I will have to get it some day.
 
 
ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedTongueWink
 
Duuuude, this is a blind-buy....
 
This ranks atop along A Love Supreme, Time Out or So What .... Actually it could even be superior to the latter two...
 
 
I'll go out on a limb and tell you that if you buy it within the next few days and  don't like it, I'll refund it to youBig smile!!!Wink
(that's how sure I am you'll love it)
 
 
 
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Actually when reading of my signature, I think TBS&TLS is one of those albums that prompted me to investigate madmen's music

Mingus was not a very nice person (a bit like Miles was not exactly a nige guy either).... Mingus was mentallyunstable, not least because of his extreme racial roots. Indeed, the man had Swedish, Chinese (Hong Kong), and Afro-American grandparents abnd had also some British descendance.... try to deal with that!!!

 



 
 
 
 


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I second the recommendation to just get it ASAP
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^ yep me too.

I still need to give it various listens to fully get it, but it's one hell of a piece of art/jazz.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Actually when reading of my signature, I think TBS&TLS is one of those albums that prompted me to investigate madmen's music

Mingus was not a very nice person (a bit like Miles was not exactly a nige guy either).... Mingus was mentallyunstable, not least because of his extreme racial roots. Indeed, the man had Swedish, Chinese (Hong Kong), and Afro-American grandparents abnd had also some British descendance.... try to deal with that!!!


I agree Mingus was a madman, and had a flaring temper. While Miles had his moments, I think his attitude was more "I don't give a sh*t", and just knew what he wanted in life. He was sort of a ladies man, and many of the musicians who played with him respected him. I think Mingus was more of an "a-hole" than Miles could ever have been.
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Damn. I didn;t think it was possible to have a jazz CD that JS doesn't.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Actually when reading of my signature, I think TBS&TLS is one of those albums that prompted me to investigate madmen's music

Mingus was not a very nice person (a bit like Miles was not exactly a nige guy either).... Mingus was mentallyunstable, not least because of his extreme racial roots. Indeed, the man had Swedish, Chinese (Hong Kong), and Afro-American grandparents abnd had also some British descendance.... try to deal with that!!!


I agree Mingus was a madman, and had a flaring temper. While Miles had his moments, I think his attitude was more "I don't give a sh*t", and just knew what he wanted in life. He was sort of a ladies man, and many of the musicians who played with him respected him. I think Mingus was more of an "a-hole" than Miles could ever have been.
 
 
Mmmmhhh!!!... I dare say that Davis' authority and respect also partly came from frequenting the boxing rings.... I'm pretty sure some collabs  feared  Miles' punches.... so I'd say that they put up with his own bullsh*t and didn't really dare to speak up when he apropriated some compositions to his name...
 
 
As for Mingus, it's not that he would've been an a-hole, more than he was mentalluy unstable...
didn't he get interned in mental institutions at one point??
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Yeah, this album is stellar. I've been thrashing it for a while, loving it. Arranged so very well.
I'd love to hear more about the overdubbing process for this particular gem of an album and Mingus' role in leading it
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I guess it's one of the best album I ever heard in my life.
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I'm going through all my jazz CDs as most of them have been in storage for some time. When I joined this site, I slowly started breaking them out, as I haven't been in the biggest jazz mood for the last 2 years or so. Lately, Ive been gravitating towards jazz again! This album will surely be one of the first I go back to.
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I'm still busting to review it, but I want to make the review decent. It's one of those intimidating albums from a critical standpoint, at least. 
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